Need a tele baritone conversion neck pdf

[TRexF16]

Hi Friends,
I have done a search both here and elsewhere online and have been surprised to NOT find a full-sized printable pdf of a telecaster baritone conversion neck such as Warmoth sells
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I am helping a young man with a build and he wants to do both a standard and matching baritone neck to fit the same body.
Does anyone have a diagram they can share?

Thanks,
Rex

 

[TRexF16]

Hi everyone. I couldn't find a baritone conversion neck pdf anywhere online, but TDPRI member Mike Pack (MSP Guitars) contacted me via PM and was kind enough to draw up a pdf version. I have yet to use it of course, but it matches the Warmoth baritone conversion neck so it should be a good fit.

I tried to attach it but it is 175k over the upload limit. I have Adobe Acrobat Reader DC and can't find a "compress file" feature in this version. Any suggestions - I want to be able to share this for everyone.


Thanks to Mike!
Rex

 

[John Nicholas]

Hey Rex,

You can't use Reader to shrink the file, you'll need either Adobe Acrobat or Photoshop to make the file smaller

If you want, you can e-mail it (or Drop Box it) to me and I'd be happy to shrink the file, send it back and/or share it here.

Send a PM if I can help.

 

[mPacT]

Your welcome Rex. I should point out that, MSP Guitars only exist in my head and as a gmail for the time being.
John, I can shrink it down to save some of the back and forth. Sorry I didn't think about the size limit.

 

[mPacT]

Attached is the converted baritone Tele neck design. If anyone spots a problem, please let me know as I have been awake for two days and had a heck of a time working out how to make the size of the file smaller without changing the image size. Ultimately, found an online tool.

Thanks!

 

[John Nicholas]

Mike,

Thank you for shrinking and sharing the file.

Greatly appreciated!

 

[mPacT]

Mike,

Thank you for shrinking and sharing the file.

Greatly appreciated!

You're welcome!

 

[TRexF16]

OK, I am halfway through this dual-neck build using using Mikes drawing posted above and am having a little panic issue. I really need some advice.
Background:
Warmoth's Baritone conversion is a 28 5/8" scale, so they say, and it looks like that's just what Mike went to create. 28 5/8 = 28.625, and the little fret spacing chart on the pdf shows the 12th fret at 14.312", right where it should be, half of 28.625.

BUT, Mike has a note on the diagram that says "28.906 from nut to Tele style bridge saddles." And that is exactly where the nut ends up when I slip the template I made from this pdf into a tele body. That seems like its over a quarter inch too far from saddles to nut. When I slip my normal 25.5" template, or my short-scale tele conversion template into the pocket, the saddles are at a point a lot closer to twice the 12th fret distance.

So I have cut the fret slots in the 24.75" scale guitar neck that goes on this body but am afraid to cut the fret slots yet in the baritone neck because of the issues above. With the nut already cut and the neck all ready to slot, I could actually still alter the fret spacing to make the 12th fret half of 28.906", if I better understood why it is 28.906" from nut to saddles. I know we usually have to move the saddles back a bit from "standard" for intonation - maybe that is already assumed in that note? Just seems too much.

I'm going to email Mike and hope I reach him. In our first e-mail exchange he mentioned having a momentary panic attack that the diagram was off, but confirmed it was right. Has anyone built with it yet that could pitch in, or any other advice available, especially from someone who has a Warmoth Baritone conversion neck and can confirm measurements.

Thanks,
Rex

 

[guitarbuilder]

If you have a body around, why don't you lay the neck in the cavity and measure from the saddles forward. Measure toward the nut on the fretboard to the 12th fret measurement and mark it in pencil. Then go from the nut to the 12th fret and see how they compare. That way you could see if you are in the ballpark without cutting any slots. Personally I'd rather go by what's in front of me than what a company says.

 

[Tremade]

The measurement 28.906" is supposed to be between the nut and the bridge mounting screws, not the saddles (on a tele style bridge with scale lenght 28.625"). It's a help where to mount the bridge.

https://www.stewmac.com/FretCalculator.html

Punch in 28.625" in scale length and look further down for measurements between nut and mounting screws.

Looks like you're ending up with a ca 28.9" scale and need to cut frets accordingly, if bridge is already placed and adjusted accordingly to the shorter scale neck. If you want the second neck to intonate roughly where the first neck intonates.

 

[mPacT]

The measurement 28.906" is supposed to be between the nut and the bridge mounting screws, not the saddles (on a tele style bridge)

https://www.stewmac.com/FretCalculator.html

Punch in 28.625" in scale length and look further down for measurements between nut and mounting screws.

Hi Rex,

Sorry for your stress, I should have specified more clearly as Tremade correctly pointed out. I don't know why in the world I wrote "saddles." The fret slots are still to be cut according to the measurements on the .pdf. Place the bridge using whatever compensation you like.

 

[TRexF16]

OK, well just when I thought I was going to be able to take the rest of the day off!

I'm sure glad to hear that. I'm using the GFS XTrem combo for the bridge, which has a TOM-style roller bridge built into a Tele bridge plate, and then the Bigsby-style trem, so I have to locate everything from scratch. Thus my concern. I have to be sure both of those necks will intonate (if that's a word - Microsoft doesn't think so but we know better)

Thanks again everyone!

Rex

 

[mPacT]

Sorry about that! I wasn't kidding when I said I had been awake for two days when I first did it. I'll post a "fixed" version of the .pdf today that will only show the scale line. Those necks look great by the way.

 

[mPacT]

Here is the modified file.

 

[Jupiter]

This thread has me looking around on my walls for something I can slap a bari neck onto....

 

[mPacT]

This thread has me looking around on my walls for something I can slap a bari neck onto....

To make a new neck or to check the wacky example?! Lol! Use the last file upload!

 

[TRexF16]

Ba Da Bing...

Thanks for the clarification Mike, et al.

Rex

 

[Jupiter]

To make a new neck or to check the wacky example?! Lol! Use the last file upload!

To make a neck for, 'course! And yeah, I downloaded it. Got no idea when I'd be able to tackle it, though...

 

[TRexF16]

Well, you guys (except for Marty - he was right!) talked me into cutting those slots and setting my markers. I should have trusted my measurements and investigated further. I'm at a loss, here, and I'm going to start a new thread just to make sure the word gets out to others who may have copied this template for future use but are no longer following this thread.

Bottom Line - Though this is certainly a baritone neck with a 28.625" scale, it is NOT a tele conversion baritone neck and won't work in a normally routed Tele body. I sure hope I am wrong. Check out the pics and measurements in the new thread and PLEASE, make a dunce out of me...but I don't have high hopes. I think this neck is firewood, at least as regards this present project.

Take a look at it,
Rex

 

[guitarbuilder]

Maybe all you'll need to do is adjust the length of your saddle screws, change saddles, or use a different bridge?

After looking at the pix in the other thread, if it comes down to it, you may be able to get the extra .300 out of longer screws. I did that on a 24.75 scale neck I made. I ordered some RC car screws which were the size that fit my saddles.