Need a tele baritone conversion neck pdf

[TRexF16]

Thanks Marty but it's a TOM roller bridge with a Bigsby type trem. I don't think I'll have that kind of adjustment latitude. I'm kicking myself for not trusting my gut and my original measurements.

The really ironic thing is Mike's original note on the template pdf was "correct" - if you stick this neck in a tele pocket it really is within a couple hundredths of 28.906" to the tele saddles (not mounting holes). Probably just a coincidence.

Thanks,
T. Rex

P.S. still hoping somebody proves me wrong...

 

[TRexF16]

As I look to recovery plans besides starting over, I note that if I was to cut this neck off right through the 24th fret slot, and radius the resultant new heel, the nut would now fall nearly exactly 28.625" from the needed saddle position for the 24.75" scale neck that goes with this build. It might look a little funny having two dots for a 24th fret marker falling after the 23rd (and now last) fret, but it would not be "wrong."

I would also want to deepen and replace the 24th fret side markers so they still show correctly when it's radiused, and the neck would be just a tiny bit loose in the pocket due to the angles involved.

Thoughts on that path?

Rex

 

[guitarbuilder]

How about leaving an overhang?

 

[GunsOfBrixton]

As I posted in your other threads warning about the pdf, the conversion neck should have an overhang. so, yes you could cut part of the neck off. Or you could just cut the maple and leave the fretboard overhang. Would take a bit of skill but nothing you couldn't handle from seeing some of your previous builds.

 

[TRexF16]

Yep, an overhang would work but it would be a .303" overhang and the heel of the neck would fall right under the 24th fret slot (if I was to make it exact). I could make it not quite exact, but enough for saddle movement to allow intonation, and get enough to support the 24th fret slot with some maple beneath it. Or, since this body is not going to have a pickguard I could actually leave almost an eighth inch of maple under the overhanging part. I'm starting to like that idea.

Thanks for those thoughts.

Rex

 

[guitarbuilder]

On any overhang I have done, I have made it the distance of the length to the next fret. That way visually it doesn't look short or long.

 

[mPacT]

Things I have learned from all this.

1.) Marty is always right. (I knew this already though.)
2.) I probably have no business doing drawings to help people.
3.) There are some very smart people on this forum, (something else I already knew.) Thank's Robert, CJ and Tremade.
4.) Marty is always right. (Worth repeating!)

So, I will find the proper overhang measurement, update the .pdf and crawl into a hole for the foreseeable future in shame as I am horrified to have put out bad information.

 

[TRexF16]

Mike, I don't think you put out bad information at all. Except for the "saddles" vs. "screws" thing you already fixed, your pdf is spot on in every respect as near as I can measure. It was just missing the key info that neither of us knew from the Warmoth drawings, that their conversion neck has an overhang. I've never used overhangs because of their impact on pickguard removal, so it never occurred to me. But obviously several of our members smarter than either of use figured it out right away.

I really appreciate how you stepped up and built this template and I hope you keep on doing things like that. I'm glad you have the technical chops to do so, because, like I said, it seems perfectly executed to me! I certainly hope I did not offend you. In my freaked out state thinking something was terribly wrong, I was just picturing some other builder getting all the way through finishing and in the middle of his set-up, maybe with the new owner looking on, and suddenly realizing something wouldn't work. Thus my somewhat emphatic post to highlight the "problem" - which turns out to be no problem at all, just one missing piece of data on an otherwise excellent product.

Thanks again, my friend! And please don't go crawling in any holes!

Rex

 

[guitarbuilder]

Things I have learned from all this.

1.) Marty is always right. (I knew this already though.)
2.) I probably have no business doing drawings to help people.
3.) There are some very smart people on this forum, (something else I already knew.) Thank's Robert, CJ and Tremade.
4.) Marty is always right. (Worth repeating!)

So, I will find the proper overhang measurement, update the .pdf and crawl into a hole for the foreseeable future in shame as I am horrified to have put out bad information.

Thanks, but I'm not always right. Just ask my wife.....

 

[mPacT]

Mike, I don't think you put out bad information at all. Except for the "saddles" vs. "screws" thing you already fixed, your pdf is spot on in every respect as near as I can measure. It was just missing the key info that neither of us knew from the Warmoth drawings, that their conversion neck has an overhang. I've never used overhangs because of their impact on pickguard removal, so it never occurred to me. But obviously several of our members smarter than either of use figured it out right away.

I really appreciate how you stepped up and built this template and I hope you keep on doing things like that. I'm glad you have the technical chops to do so, because, like I said, it seems perfectly executed to me! I certainly hope I did not offend you. In my freaked out state thinking something was terribly wrong, I was just picturing some other builder getting all the way through finishing and in the middle of his set-up, maybe with the new owner looking on, and suddenly realizing something wouldn't work. Thus my somewhat emphatic post to highlight the "problem" - which turns out to be no problem at all, just one missing piece of data on an otherwise excellent product.

Thanks again, my friend! And please don't go crawling in any holes!

Rex

Thanks for writing such a nice message!

Thanks, but I'm not always right. Just ask my wife.....

I think that is true for us all when it comes to our better halves Marty!

Also, here is a shout out to Jupiter, just because it's Jupiter!

 

[mPacT]

I'm hoping that this, is the final version of this file. Only from the standpoint that I finally got it correct. I added detail about the overhanging fretboard and a comparison neck profile.
Of course, if anyone spots any other problems, please let me know. Thanks guys, sorry for the confusion.

 

[TRexF16]

Mike, that looks spot on compared to mine. I tried to take some pics to illustrate the relationship between the 24th fret slot and the routed heel postion that put it just right for me.

This looks just like what you have represented in your Final version pdf. Thanks for adding to the "permanent record."

 

[Wahoo]

Mike, very cool of you to make and share the drawing and that's a great looking neck Trex!

Question: is the fret spacing equivalent to a standard 25.5" plus one fret at the nut? After reading this thread, I'd like to make one myself and am wondering if I can use my existing LMII fret cutting template.

 

[TRexF16]

Well I would certainly not have guessed so but I just checked and the answer is YES. It is a normal 25.5" scale with two extra frets on the nut side and one extra fret on the bridge side - dead on.

How about that? Great question!
Rex

 

[Tremade]

Things I have learned from all this.

1.) Marty is always right. (I knew this already though.)
2.) I probably have no business doing drawings to help people.
3.) There are some very smart people on this forum, (something else I already knew.) Thank's Robert, CJ and Tremade.
4.) Marty is always right. (Worth repeating!)

So, I will find the proper overhang measurement, update the .pdf and crawl into a hole for the foreseeable future in shame as I am horrified to have put out bad information.

Dont be too hard on yourself! No one else did this job and now we have a nice drawing here. It's highly appreciated and this is an interesting thread/project to follow!

Great work, both you and TRexF16

 

[TRexF16]

So from the 25.5" versus 28.625" fret scale comparison question & answer above can we safely conclude that anyone who wants a baritone tele conversion neck without any overhang could simply take their normal 25.5 scale 21-fret tele neck template, add the two extra frets at the nut end to their layout per the measurements on Mike's pdf and call it good? It would become a 23 fret baritone neck.
Since, when correctly fit, the 3rd through 23rd frets on the Bari should be in exactly the same place relative to the saddles as the first through 21st frets on the 25.5" scale, it seems like this should work.

Thoughts?

Rex

EDIT:...but it does look pretty cool as a 24 fret neck though. You'd lose that.

 

[TRexF16]

Adding this here in case somebody lands here searching for the template. The final template pdf is attached and a pic of the switch neck guitar the first day it has worn the baritone neck. Amazingly, the intonation was spot on - no adjustment needed. So the pdf Mike made for us is perfect!

Cheers,
Rex