Neck shape descriptions. Why bother?

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  1. Alcohen

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    My hot take is that this is largely a product of how many guitars are bought sight unseen over the internets these days. In the olden days you bought a guitar after you felt it up. Nowadays people plunk down thousands of dollars on a guitar they've never handled and want some assurance of how it'll feel.

    But, yeah, "C" covers a lot of subjective territory. Ricky above describes his Epi "slim taper" neck as a fat C. If it's the same slim taper as my '61 reissue Casino, I'd call that a D, because it's wider than it is round. If that even makes sense.
     
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    My first guitar was an Ibanez acoustic, I played a bunch of guitars that seemed to have clunkier fat necks or wide ones with a flat spot on the back, but the Ibanez neck felt more "modern" sleek feel compared, I liked that one the best... C with slim shoulders, I guess...

    15 yrs later I got my first US strat a 91...and there was no adjustment, the neck felt much the same, nut width/string spacing was the same... I was right at home on stock fender necks from day one....

    never got on with any Gibson type neck profiles/stop tail set ups.... that I've played....
     
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    I only play W necks these days...
     
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    Before I got my Tele it didn’t seem to make a difference to me.
    First time I played my Tele Elite it just felt “different” and “easier”
    It only was after I played it several times I read out about “compound radius”
    Then I saw a You Tube stating compound radius is a myth.

    I dropped the bucks on that Tele because it felt “different” and “better” and now I rarely play my Am Std Strat, LP or Heritage 555 ES 335 clone.
     
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    I thought it was mandatory to have a favorite neck shape to be in this forum.:confused:

    Perhaps you are just not old enough to get cramps in the hands yet.;):lol:
     
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    Just curious.....do you know what measurements it has? I read somewhere that Brian May's original Red Special has a massive neck.....something like 1 1/4" depth and 1 3/4" wide at nut. I'd really like to try that, mainly to see if THAT would be too big. My Warmoths are not exceptionally big, (1" depth and 1 11/16" at nut) but they ARE bigger than typical Fenders. It may sound funny, but my hands are on the small/medium side....but I like a fat neck.
     
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    I don’t know what the measurements are... I know when I got it like ten years ago, I asked for the big neck because I liked big necks then. I remember telling the builder something along the lines of “make the neck a big, baseball bat kind of neck, but a little bigger.”

    The guitar is styled a lot like double cut Les Paul special. And the neck is ridiculous. I actually dug it when I first got it. After a while it became uncomfortable and caused a lot of fatigue. Now I very rarely play it. Shame, too. It’s a great guitar. I may have somebody shave the neck down some...
     
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    I began having a similar kind of confusion a few weeks ago. I started a thread asking to be schooled on Gretsch necks.

    I don't own one but was thinking of it. I'd never heard of a neck described as U shaped until I began reading specs on Gretsch's website.
     
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    Old Chinese custom.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_binding
     
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    it's not like most guitar stores label what kind of neck any given guitar has. playing a few back to back would really help.
     
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    Sound like a guitar you want to love, but don’t. If you don’t play it, and you know why you don’t play it, have a pro fix it to your liking. If neck shape (too big) is the problem then it’s a fairly simple solution especially when you’re talking about a reduction in size. Going bigger, not so simple. Neck shaping/re-shaping isn’t that difficult for skilled hands with the right tools to do it. Seems like the only logical solution - especially on a custom ordered guitar. Good luck.
     
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    You left out the T-Neck, made famous by the Isley Brothers.
     
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    I can’t be the only one that can see and feel the shapes?/ find them helpful
    Usually as described from the manufacturer
    Although sometimes a C can border on a D or U
     
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    What is supposed to be ‘mythical’ about it?? It certainly exists: a compound radius fretboard changes in radius as you work up the fretboard, getting flatter. It’s a section of a cone where a ‘normal’ fretboard is a section of a cylinder.

    I have an Elite Tele too and I believe them when they say it has a compound radius, and certainly it’s easy to play chords down low and it’s less likely to choke out bending up high than my 9.5” radius Jazzmaster. I also believe them when they say the neck profile (which is where we started this thread) changes from C to more of a D as you go up — but I don’t feel the difference. To be fair to Fender that is supposed to be the reason for the changing profile - so that the neck doesn’t feel like it’s getting slimmer as the fretboard flattens.
     
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    Necks and songs, there are only two types, the ones I like and the others...
     
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    That's nothing. When people say a guitar has a 'fast neck', I think they're full of guff.

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    Nut width, shoulder and overall shape are handy to know. A sharp V is very different to a proper C or U.

    What I really wish makers and suppliers would give is the neck depth at the 1st and 12th frets.
     
  18. nathanteal

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    Yeah, I'm with you. I know there can be some conflation between C, D, and U shapes, while Vs and their softer alternatives are much more pronounced and therefore distinct, BUT, within reason, I can generally make a good call on what a neck shape might be.

    Basically, think about it this way...

    C - follow the natural curve and it will make a perfect circle.

    U - a bit more broad-shouldered than a C. At the same depth, it'll feel heftier than a C.

    D - a broad-shouldered U. Best for thin necks. The shredder's profile.
     
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  19. 985plowboy

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    Yeah man.
    I either like em or I don’t.
    I have another classification that i is personally.
    It’s the necks where the back of the curve has been sanded somewhat flat and you can feel the hard edgy shoulders.
    I think of those as “grilled cheese sandwich” necks and I hate them.
     
  20. JIMMY JAZZMAN

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    Neck depth is the key. Those older Epi's LP'S claimed to have had thin C shaped necks. I know what
    I know, they were fat, fat, fat. Had to trade it for something else. Anyway, a sixteenth inch is noticeable
    when playing different guitars. Some guitars: 2 hours, fret hand feels great. Other guitars: half an hour
    and it's time for the medication.
     
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