Neck break repair: any hope?

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  1. braveheart

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    just glueing and a clamp?
     
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    Not looking simple with that break.

    That's gonna be some creative clamping & splines.
     
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    Short grain like that makes the repair more difficult, but it is doable. Gluing it won't do the job as there isn't much for wood fibers to stick to wood fibers with a break like that. End grain doesn't glue well

    . The first thing you need is to get it back together. The second thing is to rout splines as mentioned above in between the two parts to add fresh wood. This although it is ugly right now, removed all the cracks and replaced it with fresh mahogany.

    This was done on my cnc machine. You can build a jig to hold the neck and keep the router in a straight path. I've seen people sand inside curves on each side and replace the wood with new wood that way too. Only you can decide if it is worth the effort. This is one of the drawbacks to Epiphone necks with the truss rod so far back behind the nut. It happens with Gibson necks too depending on the grain structure. Most Gibsons break with longer fibers.

    The worst of the repairs I have seen that failed are when people use metal hardware and dowels improperly to try and fix these breaks.





    Your guitar is probably a good candidate for a scarfed in new peghead glued to the existing shaft.

    A slanted ramped surface is cut and sanded into the back of the neck going toward the nut. Then a new peghead is cut, drilled, and shaped and glued to that ramp. You would need to include a nut surface on the peghead as it has broken off.
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    No. As pointed out already, it's gonna take major surgery. However, unlike flesh and blood and the unpredictable nature of humans, this type of surgery has a predictable outcome...

    If performed by one with competent skills, it will be seamless.

    Choose your surgeon carefully and you'll never know it happened.
     
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    A lot of people use short splints like frozen icecream sticks. It can be made imperceptible.

    Breaks across fretboards are harder. My expert local luthiers do a couple a month.
     
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    what about 2 wood dowels and 2 holes on each side?
     
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    Titebond and a couple of wood screws should fix it.:D Joking about the wood screws.

    I would use dowels and glue like already mentioned. If it fits back on the neck easily enough it should be pretty straight forward. Hard to really tell without pics of the back.
     
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    Everything is fixable if you have enough money.
     
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    As I said, the dowel repairs are the ones that I've seen fail. As a temporary fix it could work for a while or not..a good repair has decent sized splines in tight routs in front of and behind the break to add support.
     
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    Other guitar player in my band broke his Les Paul headstock for the second time, he is a builder and is replacing the neck. May be cheaper in your case to buy a new guitar, unless it has sentimental value.
     
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    Ouch! That’s a clean decapitation.
     
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    Neck break repair: any hope?
    Sure ;)

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    Had that happen to an SG that fell off the stand. I do not recall the details of the repair, but I certainly remember that in order to keep it in tune, I had to install a fine-tune tailpiece and the locking nut from a Floyd Rose. I ended up trading that guitar for a 4-way Ashly stereo crossover.
     
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    I would try to do it for practice purpose, using the method described by @guitarbuilder.

    Difficult to clamp. Difficult to rout for reinforcement.

    You can’t expect to drill freehand and have dowels perfectly centered and aligned on both ends. If the dowels create tensions or gaps, it’s a weak point, and the result may be weaker than the simple end grain gluing. So you’d need some kind of routing jig, custom made and quite complicated.

    It is much more efficient to use a routing jig once the head is properly glued, to make reinforcement splines.
     
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    ok...when I get the guitar (bought it today for 85$) I will add some pictures...from the back etc.
     
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    bought it today for 85$...
     
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    yes,you're right..freehand drilling is no good idea...
     
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    guitarbuilder ftw OR put it for sale on ebay as 'This was busted up onstage at an outrageous gig ala hendrix, and NO burn smell' will provide affidavit claiming you did it at your requestl

    ask like 850.00 obo.. should sell in hours.
     
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    Not worth fixing.

    If you're "here, there and everywhere" stop by my place later. I have a few intact Les Paul types stripped of pickups and hardware.

    Close!

    "ala Hendrix"? Seems to me that's a priceless early Pete Townshend smasharoo.

    Priceless!

    :D :D :D

    And besides, it was a real Gibson before someone mixed up the headstocks.

    :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
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