Neal Schon’s 53 Blackguard

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  1. PeterUK

    PeterUK Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

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    I agree. Why? Just Why? :confused:
     
  2. vhilts1

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    Lol.....

    Im not a huge NS fan but he is good

    It’s funny to hear so many banging on him.....lol

    Particularly when so many Tele players vids/songs/demos are just soulless timid crap. I see vids all the time posted from guys who rave about their “clean” Telecaster sound and to me it just sounds like ham and eggers afraid to cut loose...lol.....like breaking glass tone....no character whatsoever....lol....like really bad acoustic/electric tone...lol

    I mean to each their own I guess

    but NS made a TON of $$$ being NS and the guy has cut some iconic parts

    If I had a dime for every lame goes nowhere Tele pickup review....lol....countless guys who strum one chord once .....lol ....and compare it to the same chord strummed once....

    I will take NS demo’ing a guitar any day.....lol
     
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    I would rather buy an Ovation electric from him. You know, something he actually played.
     
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    I don't remember "The Schon".
     
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    Point taken
     
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    We all make all our guitars sound the same. Keith was right.
     
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    Woe! Did he “personally build” all of them?

    Neil Schon the guitar, reminds me of all the merchandise in the spaceballs movie, “spaceballs the flamethrower!”
     
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    As I recall, they came out around the time I started truly hating Journey and/or that HSAS side project and he played a red one, '82 maybe?

    Edit: Guess he was doing the G-505 thing then. Gave the world a glimpse at how "great" Van Hagar would be at least.

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    Neil Schon the lunchbox......Neil Schon the t-shirt....Neil Schon the breakfast cereal!
     
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    I don't think anyone is bashing NS, per se- I personally think he's fantastic and I love his playing with Journey. I think they're bashing the horrible tone and seemingly random hammer-ons/pull-offs he's doing on that vintage Tele.

    I mean, I'd just expect someone of his caliber to be able to do a guitar like that a bit more justice- give it a proper playing worthy of such a fine instrument. Not necessarily chickn' pickn', but at least something intelligible (maybe the solo to Wheel in the Sky??- that would be my request).
     
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    The middle is NOT both pickups on a 53.... any geek here knows that. Even before May 1952, both pickups was only in the “blend” switch position, switch all the way back.

    Geez, what an amateur! Lol!
     
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    I think they start about 1986 - co-designed with Grover Jackson and they were first built at the Jackson/Charvel factory. Grover and Neal parted ways and Neal went with Larrivee (out of Canada) to build them. There was a second version that looks kind of like a carved top Moserite (maybe a bit more Stratty than a Moserite) which were only built by Larrivee although they were also co-designed by Grover Jackson.

    I think there were around 700 Schon guitars made - 200 by Jackson/Charvel and 500 by Larrivee - there used to be a fan site for them that had numbers but I can't find it now.

    When I say "co-designed" I suspect most of the work was done by Grover and his team, but only they know how much was Grover and how much was Neal.
     
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    Journey fan since the late 70s. Love Neal's playing, but when he's noodling on IG or FB and in his solo work, I just don't love it. I think he's better when his playing is constrained by the band. When it's just his solo stuff, it just feels mostly like wanking. But when he gets in a soulful groove, he's outstanding.
     
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    Spectacular ability used in a manner I do not find appealing.
     
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    I loved the two albums he did with Jan Hammer.
     
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    Maybe he's not aware of how it's really supposed to sound?:confused:
     
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    Hah! I suspect he probably does know, but for the purposes of the auction he doesn't care - he just drags out all the guitars, plugs them into his standard rig, and does his usual instagram video wankfest playing on it. Which unfortunately makes every guitar he's auctioning off sound pretty much the same.

    Regarding his playing - I was never Journey's biggest fan but I liked his playing with them in the late 70s/early 80s; always seemed to be perfect for the song, even when he stretched out the solos live. But his playing has moved into more wanking than fitting the music, and his demos reflect that. Compare that 1981 Escape tour live from Houston video and compare his playing then to now.
     
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    Schon claims to have turned down an offer to join Derek and the Dominoes, choosing to join Santana’s band instead.




    Bobby Whitlock recalls things differently. He says that the 16-year-old’s father was trying to get him into the band and that they never considered it. He was too young and his playing was unsuitable. (2:50 – 3:30)

     
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    Its funny on the stories of Neal possibly joining up w Derek and the Dominos:


    I read a few yrs ago, possibly an interview w Neal,

    That his dad steered him away from joining bc of the heavy drug use.

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