NAD! 1962 Fender Bassman

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So I find this post kinda funny, as one of the last posts I made was about dabbling with digital modeling amps! But when it comes to tube amps, "I try to get out, but they keep pulling me back in!" Lol But I am now a happy owner of a 1962 Fender Bassman, blonde with the 2x12 tone ring cab. I absolutely love this thing! It's kind of cliche to say, but this brown/blonde era amp really does kind of sit somewhere between the tweed and black panel sound. Which is perfect for me. My usual gigging rig is a tweed deluxe style amp(Winfield Brat) and either a Princeton Reverb or a deluxe reverb.
I wasn't even looking for an amp at the time. I have a little tweed champ style amp that the harmonica player in our band uses. It started smoking during a gig. So I called up Winnie Thomas the maker of Winfield amps. Side note- nicest guy you could ever meet, and his amps are AMAZING! I own 3. So anyway he says he'll meet me to pick it up, since he lives a good hour and a half from Tucson where I live. When I meet him, he says he and a friend are on the way to look at some vintage amps. Cool. He calls me when my amp is fixed, and I meet him again. Mentioned he was going back for more vintage amps. I expressed interest in the Bassman but am pretty sure it would be out of my (or more importantly my wife's) price range. He sends me some pictures and I'm drooling over them and getting ready to reply, thanks but no thanks, when my wife asks what I'm looking at. I tell her, "guitar porn, as usual." Lol She asks me about the amp, I tell her what I know. To my utter surprise, she tells me I NEED to get it. So to wrap it up, picked it up yesterday. Just love it sounds amazing! Had replacement Italian jensens in it and a new transformer which probably helped knock it down to something I could afford. Usually can't stand jensen speakers, but somehow it still sounds great.

So that leads me to my speaker/cab question. This original cab is MASSIVE. I'm scheduled to have a spinal fusion sometime this year. So I need to find something smaller to gig with. Found a couple of options on mojotone. A 2x12 about the size of a deluxe reverb or a 2x10 about the same size. Any thoughts? I've never really owned a 2x12 amp before. Something I need to try? I converted my Deluxe Reverb into a 2x10 and really love it. So stick with something I know I like? For context, I most likely will use Weber speakers for either configuration. I have tried a bunch, and found them to be my favorite. Thanks for looking! Cheers,
Cody
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Wow,that thing looks really clean. Apparently not dragged around very much.
Plus 1 on Winnie too! A bit of a coincidence as I bought one of his Cyclone heads a year or so ago and last nite for the first time in months I plugged my Fat necked NoCaster into it and it just sings and growls, barks and bites: Just a great little amp with an ef86 in the preamp section. Also agree that Winnie is a class act no BS guy.
No hijack intended but I have to link the Clyclone; hope you dont mind. Winnie posts here occasionally as Zook.
http://www.winfieldamps.com/cyclone.html
 

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Wow,that thing looks really clean. Apparently not dragged around very much.
Plus 1 on Winnie too! A bit of a coincidence as I bought one of his Cyclone heads a year or so ago and last nite for the first time in months I plugged my Fat necked NoCaster into it and it just sings and growls, barks and bites: Just a great little amp with an ef86 in the preamp section. Also agree that Winnie is a class act no BS guy.
No hijack intended but I have to link the Clyclone; hope you dont mind. Winnie posts here occasionally as Zook.
http://www.winfieldamps.com/cyclone.html
Yeah, definitely pretty clean. A couple of stains on it where the knots in the pine bleed through the tolex. Guessing that's why Leo switched to black.

Couldn't agree more on the Cyclone! It's one he built for me this year. Which is kind of why I wasn't really looking to buy another amp. It's just amazing.
 

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Spinal fusion............... The weight of cabs etc is very much in the speakers, the magnets. So my advice is to go with a single speaker type or go with 2 x 10 or 12 with lightweight, light duty speakers....like a P10R's etc.... which you may not like.
 

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Very valid points. In fact, despite the size of the bassman cab, it's not particularly heavy. It's just being that big, it makes it more awkward to lift than heavy. And that's usually what gives my back problems. Have thought about a 1x12. But to find a speaker compatible with that wattage puts me into speakers that I'm totally unfamiliar with. Which isn't necessarily bad, I would just have zero idea what to get. With 2 speakers, I'm very familiar with the types I can use.
 

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Very valid points. In fact, despite the size of the bassman cab, it's not particularly heavy. It's just being that big, it makes it more awkward to lift than heavy. And that's usually what gives my back problems. Have thought about a 1x12. But to find a speaker compatible with that wattage puts me into speakers that I'm totally unfamiliar with. Which isn't necessarily bad, I would just have zero idea what to get. With 2 speakers, I'm very familiar with the types I can use.
Yeah, they are not that heavy. One option is to take the back off, relieving some weight. You will find a closed back to sound much different, you may like it ....or not like it at all. I prefer the clean sound of open back. The closed back is a bit compressed sounding.
Finding a speaker (s) to handle the 45-50 watts should not be difficult, but the problem is, finding one you like! Eminence has a ton of higher wattage 12" speakers.
I converted my Deluxe Reverb to 2 x 10 for a while also. The problem was it became a quite heavy amp! I used Weber 10F150's and they sounded superb. But kinda reversed the thinking of using a smaller amp like the DR with the added weight.Maybe you should use the Bassman head on top of the Deluxe Reverb amp you have? plug into the 2 x 10 with the Bassman when you need more power!
 

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Hi!
... Have thought about a 1x12. But to find a speaker compatible with that wattage puts me into speakers that I'm totally unfamiliar with...
Congrats on your very cool new amp!

You said that you like Weber-speakers - afaik, they offer most of their speakers with a 4-Ohm impedance.
I think you should be able to find something nice for your rig!

cheers - 68.
 

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So I find this post kinda funny, as one of the last posts I made was about dabbling with digital modeling amps! But when it comes to tube amps, "I try to get out, but they keep pulling me back in!" Lol But I am now a happy owner of a 1962 Fender Bassman, blonde with the 2x12 tone ring cab. I absolutely love this thing! It's kind of cliche to say, but this brown/blonde era amp really does kind of sit somewhere between the tweed and black panel sound. Which is perfect for me. My usual gigging rig is a tweed deluxe style amp(Winfield Brat) and either a Princeton Reverb or a deluxe reverb.
I wasn't even looking for an amp at the time. I have a little tweed champ style amp that the harmonica player in our band uses. It started smoking during a gig. So I called up Winnie Thomas the maker of Winfield amps. Side note- nicest guy you could ever meet, and his amps are AMAZING! I own 3. So anyway he says he'll meet me to pick it up, since he lives a good hour and a half from Tucson where I live. When I meet him, he says he and a friend are on the way to look at some vintage amps. Cool. He calls me when my amp is fixed, and I meet him again. Mentioned he was going back for more vintage amps. I expressed interest in the Bassman but am pretty sure it would be out of my (or more importantly my wife's) price range. He sends me some pictures and I'm drooling over them and getting ready to reply, thanks but no thanks, when my wife asks what I'm looking at. I tell her, "guitar porn, as usual." Lol She asks me about the amp, I tell her what I know. To my utter surprise, she tells me I NEED to get it. So to wrap it up, picked it up yesterday. Just love it sounds amazing! Had replacement Italian jensens in it and a new transformer which probably helped knock it down to something I could afford. Usually can't stand jensen speakers, but somehow it still sounds great.

So that leads me to my speaker/cab question. This original cab is MASSIVE. I'm scheduled to have a spinal fusion sometime this year. So I need to find something smaller to gig with. Found a couple of options on mojotone. A 2x12 about the size of a deluxe reverb or a 2x10 about the same size. Any thoughts? I've never really owned a 2x12 amp before. Something I need to try? I converted my Deluxe Reverb into a 2x10 and really love it. So stick with something I know I like? For context, I most likely will use Weber speakers for either configuration. I have tried a bunch, and found them to be my favorite. Thanks for looking! Cheers,
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Edit: Apparently I let this sit all day without hitting Post reply, so Wally nailed it first about tone ring cabs.

So...

I dig the TMB structure of the tone so many brown panel Fender amps have.

I have a few thoughts. You might be best served by getting a combo cab made to be smaller, load the speakers you want, etc. You can't fit 2 x 12" into a cab that's about Deluxe size. Look at a Twin Reverb as an example of the size that's required. You can get a 2 x 10" combo cab if that's your preferred setup. Don't discount the idea of a 1 x 12" combo cab.

The chassis width is the real constraint. My notes say that your chassis s/b 20 1/4" wide, but that needs verification. You could build a 1 x 12" a bit more compact than a Deluxe Reverb, perhaps replicating a Deluxe 'Noverb' cab.


Also, ain't no such thing as a 2 x 12" tone ring cab, at least nothing that Fender put into production. All tone ring cabs mount a single speaker to an inner baffle behind the outer one, have an air gap between baffles, and a larger diameter circular hole in the outer baffle. It's a Fender-unique method of porting the cab.

You have a sealed 2 x 12" and it looks to be the correct one for a Bassman head instead of a Bandmaster head.
 

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When I had my 6g6b, I used a 2x10 light pine cab with two Greenback 10s. Sounded fab and is extremely light….the GB10s are not heavy at all.
I still have that cab and will sell it with a Gb10 and a 80th anny g10 vintage if you are interested. it is a cool orange tolex!
 
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Play it for a while before deciding.
Those are glorious sounding amps/cabs.
An old band mate had one of those and paired with an LP Special or Jr. with P90s was unbelievable sound.
 

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Beautiful amp, congrats. I almost picked up a head a while back, cab had been painted black back in the day and the whole thing was dirty as sin, it was all there though. Passed on it as I knew I didn't need anymore amps that loud. I regret it it still lol. BTW those sound great with 2 10's.

Yeah, definitely pretty clean. A couple of stains on it where the knots in the pine bleed through the tolex. Guessing that's why Leo switched to black.
I read a story one time that Dick Dale was hanging out at Fender and saw a one-off mock-up or prototype of a blonde amp and fell in love with the look, asked Leo to make him one, but Leo said, "no Dick, it's too hard to keep clean, if you spill coffee on it it will stain it, and if I make one for you I'll have to make one for everybody", but Dale whined enough and the blonde amps were born.

Don't know how true that is but it was a cool read anyway.
 

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Wow, be sure to give that beautiful Bassman all the love it deserves.

Back in the 70s I had two of those… my favorite tube amp ever!

They were both stolen. 😩
 

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Nice amp and cab. I’ve got a later 1964 Bassman head but here are two lighter weight options I really like and thought I’d share.

1) Pine 2x12” cab (partial open back) with Celestion Neo V types. These speakers have quickly become my go-to choice. Great clean and classic rock overdrive tones paired with a Bassman. These speakers are only 4lbs each and handle 70 watts each. All together under 35 lbs for the cab. 4 ohm cab (2x 8 ohm speakers)

2) Two pine 1x15” semi open back cabs. I’ve used both with WGS g15c speakers. Excellent Jensen style cleans to mild overdrive tones. I’ve also done two matching 1x15” cabs with Celestion Fullbacks. More great cleans but can get that greenback style tone. The two cabs transport well as smaller pieces and each weigh only 26 lbs per cab. 8 ohm cabs paralleled together for 4 ohms.
 
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That is a great amp Cody. It was a rare find and I'm glad you got it.

I still have the Bandmaster BTW :)

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Yeah, it really sounds great. Used it on a couple of outdoor gigs. The smaller mojotone cab arrived. Much easier to fit in my car. Loaded it with a celestion vintage 30 and a weber 12f150t. Pretty nice combination.
 




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