Warning: long post with multiple questions. If I need to break this into multiple threads, please let a mod know and I will break it up. Thank you for reading and any advice you all can give!!!!! ********************************************** I'm trying to figure out what is the "best" route is for a live looping setup. Starting from scratch, money is the factor. I spent hours last night doing "homework" and decided that the Boss RC range is too pricey, considering I can get 3 Jam Man Exp XTs (sync) for 300 total plus 250 left for FX for the same price as the RC-300. My options left are: 1) iPad with interface/dock and midi floorboard (loopy HD) 2) MultiFX board (some include a looper) plus loopers 3) A board of JOYO plus loopers option 1 seems simple ($99 dock, $150 behringer pedals, $25 in apps) but my iPad 2 might not be powerful enough to run all the sims and loops and I feel I would lose control. Option 2 leaves me stumped for which MFX (let's revisit this in a moment) Option 3 might not be reliable, but it look fun to build... ____________________________________________________________ These are the FX I think I would use: (current prices from Amazon.com) FX Danelectro JOYO Behringer EQ (as top boost?) $28 $32 $25 Delay $25 $36 $25 Trem/Vibrato $40 $31 $25 OD $12 $33 $25 Blues OD $15 $35 $30 Phaser $50 $31 $25 I estimate that the pedals would total between 140 and 200. I would also need a one-spot ($40) and a board (I can make myself, or do an IKEA thing) total $250 All of these fx are available in an MFX board, and would be more versatile (but I really like tactile control, one of the reasons I'm leaving the computer composing world). ________________________________________________________________ Some MFX units I'm considering: Fender Mustang Floor: $200 Zoom G3X: $200 Zoom G5: $300 Vox VDL1: 250 (2 of them would get me 4 loops and a few fx) The Mustang seems to double as a MIDI floorboard (could be nice to have anyway, $50 more than Behringer bfc1010) BUT it seems the FX loop gets placed IN FRONT of the signal path (like putting a pedal before the board, but using the board to control it...) so a looper in the front is not super. BUT it's cheap, metal, fender... and sounds great. Zoom G3X: well, I don't know zoom really, but this seems cheap, has a nice interface, not so solid as the Mustang Floor, but the pedals can go in any order (and with Mustang you get 1 stomp, 1 mod, 1 delay, 1 reverb. Thats it per patch. CAn't do a chorus into a wahwah afaik) Pros: cheap, functional, sounds decent, has a looper built in Cons: cheap (build), only 3 buttons, not as pretty Zoom G5: seems the same as the G3X, though the tube boost sounds great in demo's I've heard. Also, much prettier than the 3GX (imo). Only $299, seems like as good of a deal as the Fender for $199. Vox VDL1/LL: Maybe not as durable? Not as many FX, but doubles as loopers. Also has an XLR input so I could incorporate my cello without as much of a hassle. Doesn't look as tactile or "pro" but runs on AA batteries I think! (also I love Vox/Korg) _______________________________________________________________ As for loopers (I don't need memory saving, this is for LIVE performance.) Ditto: $100 Jam Man Express XT: $100 (and they can sync) Vox LL: $160 (2 loops, that's 80 each) Vox VDL1: $250 (2 loops, that's 125 each, BUT there is XLR input (and some extra FX?) The most I ever imagine using is 3. If I had 4, MAYBE I'd find a use? idk. _______________________________________________________________ BREAKDOWN 3 loops (or 4, for Vox) and at least the board of FX ================== RC-300: $550 (plus some extra FX?) 3x Ditto + board: $550 3x JMexT + board: $550 2 Vox LL + board: $520 (4 loops) 2 Vox VDL1: $500 (plus some fx? 4 loops) _______________________________________________________________ Final Thoughts: I would like a way to connect at least 1 mic to whatever I use (vocals and cello). Worst case I use a mixer, but I don't know about the line level out into guitar pedals? if I get an MFX with a loop (G3X), I could get 2 external FX pedals, but how could I get them to sync with the loop in the MFX pedal? If I do a board, I can start small and build slow (less $$ up front, start w only a delay and blues OD?) If I get an MFX with modeling, should I end up with an amp with an FX loop so I can patch into the power amp and bypass the pre? Do I really need a FRFR system for cello/vocals anyway? If you made it this far, thank you SO MUCH and I hope this thread can help lots of other people who are also feeling overwhelmed with options!