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More robots please.

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by imwjl, Mar 5, 2021.

  1. blowtorch

    blowtorch Telefied Ad Free Member

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    where's the robot chicks, is what i wanna know
    ;):p
    anyone see "Cherry 2000"?
     
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  2. Dan German

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    Electronic components can fail unexpectedly, with unpredictable results.

    Humans are much more reliable and consistent. o_O

    I'm not sayin' one's better than t'other, but it sure ain't a simple yes/no.
     
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    I just realized Dan German = Dangerman. Is that intentional? Are you a superhero/villain's alter ego?
     
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    I don't drive fast enough to hurt myself or anyone else. I'm comfortable nodding off while I'm driving, people usually start honking when I get near them, I awaken refreshed and ready to go! I don't see how my driving would be improved upon by having a robot share the duties.
     
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    When I figured it out, I laughed for about a week about it. I only see dangerman now...


    as to the topic, I read somewhere that the majority of drivers consider themselves excellent or good drivers, but, when tested are not.

    This disparity is probably the reason that another way of transporting people safely is being studied... well, that and to destroy your freedoms, imprison you and make you a slave. The purpose of that part makes no sense, why not just ban all safety and kill people, but, okay, I'll buy.
     
  6. Oldsmobum

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    My work vehicle has “driver assist”

    It is akin to this:



    It never goes off in a real close call, but manages to put its two cents in whenever I’m completely in control. My girlfriends car of a different make is just as bad- she turns it off. This feature will save 0 lives- it exists solely as a selling point.

    What would save countless lives is disabling your phone while driving- perhaps making the phone your key... Though with how unreliable phones are this could be problematic.

    If the penalty for distracted driving was the guillotine, it would also do wonders.
     
  7. imwjl

    imwjl Poster Extraordinaire

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    Sorry but I had to look up "TPTB". That's us and I probably have more control over what I want to go and what I want to do than about any other time in my life. Through history and throughout the world freedom has only increased.

    What you say also makes no sense to me because of commerce and trade. Nothing determines outcomes or votes like our purchasing things.

    We still have a 1930 Ford in the family. A physics engineering friend RIP who did research for GM, Cummins and the army pointed out the common flaw in that solar storm argument. He said electronics that have been in cars for decades would be a fail.

    You'll have to explain "The entire city will be coded for access based on your position and income." We've had that for a long time both explicit and implicit.

    Example for the above. We used to live next to the one of richest zip codes in the state. If I drove my base model aging pick up through or our mid-trim minivan I got a police escort behind me. If I drove our pretty sweet European performance wagon same officers waved at me. If black friends took the short cut to visit us they often got pulled over.
     
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    imwjl Poster Extraordinaire

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    Now that I know TBTB from an earlier post, I think that's flawed or a system with unintended consequences. All the killing will give TBTB a supply side problem. If there are not enough of us in the indentured servitude category some are working about there will be shortages and possibly natural pressure to increase wages.
     
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    TPTB have to have actual living backs to step on. But that's not to say that intentional culling isn't a thing.
     
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    I’m not saying it’s a good idea to use your phone while driving, and I don’t. But seriously, I want to see a full analysis on data about accidents before and after mobile devices. I’m not sure it would be statistically significant. People do some pretty dumb stuff behind the wheel.
     
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    I think he is talking about redlining... ex. in LA the freeways encircle the ghetto etc.
     
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    Its had a significant enough impact to change the bicycle market- I regularly had customers who were riding for +30 years who traded in road bikes for mountain and gravel bikes... Often after a hospital visit. That is of course if they survived. On a good year we lost only one person we personally knew. The industry has noticed and their offerings have changed significantly as a result.

    These people getting off road bikes are the same people who said mountain biking was “crazy” 15 years ago.
     
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    OK, all good stuff, who ya gonna call?

    But what freaks me out...

    You know how when you're driving with your nav on and it shows your car 200' over and it looks like your car is on a river instead of the road you're driving on? Or when you are on the expressway and the nav keeps telling you to make corrections to get on the road you're already on?
    What happens when the car makes that decision?

    What happens when the car has to choose between hitting a car and hitting a pedestrian? Hey, I hope I'm never in that situation but you know that is a possibility. I'd rather hit the car. But then again I am a person, not a car.

    Because when you think about it, self driving / autonomous vehicles are going to drive as badly as the quirky navigation systems controlling them. But without a conscious.
     
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  14. imwjl

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    Yeah, my brain went micro, macro, social science and history on that one. I just don't expect some many paranoid things people worry about to happen if we don't go tribal and work at challenges we all have in common or fixes we all need.

    Transportation changing for something better is also probably hard on people who haven't tried other ways.
     
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    Your pilot friends are no doubt familiar with the phrase "Tombstone Technology." And asking some software to hold your aircraft at 19,000 feet on a heading of 067 is not the same as asking it to continuously make split second decisions about which pedestrians to hit (hint "go for the bicycle messengers, they'd do the same to you" ;) ).

    And ultimately, robots are indeed controlled by a human. Not to say that the robot in the car will always be controlled by the human in the car. This tech has huge upsides and equally huge downsides. And we aren't well equipped as a society to have a rational discussion about either right now. IMO.
     
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    Didn't realise the number of deaths was so high in the US. As a country is the US an outlier in that regard?
     
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    Go for a test ride. GPS doesn't make the final decisions. One of our cars makes its decisions based on camera and turns them off if it is unsure. The other car is a combo of camera and radar. The Subaru is better about knowing the lane and reacting to what is in front of it. The VW is better about different shapes both static and moving around it and knowing when it's raining.

    Even as a good driver there have been moments when they both show their consistency over humans. Associates with the right Tesla and GM subscriptions have more sophisticated systems.

    For your worries consider this. In this stuff started shipping in quantity summer of 2012 and very broadly in the past 3-4 years. We have millions of these systems on the road so that number would make it front page news if there were problems.

    For the rest, I'm certain there will still be accidents but also certain the net benefit will increase. I don't follow the logic some that to me is let's stop with helmets and seatbelts because some still fail.
     
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    Another good example. We have maybe 3 million people in this country who make their living and support their families by being a truck driver. What happens to all them if this tech displaces them as quickly as you say is possible? What's the plan to keep them working and spending?

    That's no reason not to move ahead with technological advancement, but that conversation needs to happen in a reasonable way. And for our own survival we ultimately need to come down on the side of humanity in these types of matters. I geek out about tech stuff like everyone else, but I'm a bit skeptical that either of these will play out in the best interest of regular people.
     
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    The data or success is what drove the automobile industry to already ship most of their products with AEB and they started in larger quantities 2012-13.

    We've never been in a better time for rational discussions about issues. So many communication channels, and so many of a sharp next generation getting their turn. The biggest aid to my complex job just might be the growth of rational conversation. Last night it was a city hall Zoom meeting. In the past hour our logistics people and a senior vendor tech person all about 100 miles apart worked out a problem as examples.
     
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    Hmm. I'll just let that sit there and people can form their own conclusions.
     
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