Maybe I am crazy, but...

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  1. mimmo

    mimmo Friend of Leo's

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    If I compare my Classic 60s vs my AV52, the feeling would be the same.
    But against the 64...well, no. Sounds crazy, I know, but that's a fact.

    You are right: to each his own, probably :).
     
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    I've owned two AV52s. One was the early style with the skinny neck and rounded body, the next was more accurate. Both really seemed to fight me more on string bending than they should have. My current is a '50s Classic that I put good pickups in, sanded off the sticky rubber finish on the back of the neck, and had plek'd. I'll put up against any Tele anytime.
     
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    Yeah, I noticed the same: my 64 really fights me whilst the MIM is so sweet and easy to play.
    MIMs can really be great guitars!
     
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    I refinished my 60's MIM Tele and made a Stealth Esquire on the left.
    It's My main axe:
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    My MIM strat has the best neck that I have ever played.
     
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    This is the Three Amigos. The Amigo in the center wasn’t anything I planned on buying. It told me it should be mine.
     
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    Haven't I already said that I would pick the one on the left? ;) Very, very nice guitar!
     
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    Nice Amigos you have here!
     
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    Yes, all Three Amigos are very nice. I occasionally think about letting one go and then play it and none of them are going anywhere.
     
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    Yeah, I know this feeling..
     
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    I kind of agree with @mimmo. I literally regretted selling my classic 60s and buying the AV64, as I I just couldn't gel with it at all. The classic 60s was an amazing Tele, if I could get it back and pay more I would.
     
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    I have a gorgeous 1978 Strat and an equally gorgeous 2003 Telecaster. Two American made beauties. They get maybe 1/3 The playing time that my MIM Strat and MIJ Telecaster get. Maybe I'm nuts, but the cheap ones actually feel better to me.
     
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    Sounds crazy, eh?
    I hear you, even if it seems impossible somtimes a MIM can be a great guitar, even greater than An AV64.
    My 64 is nice, simply it does not put a smile on my face when I play it.
    My AV52 and the classic 60s, on the the hand...:):twisted:
     
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    No, you ain't crazy. Sounds like you've worked out what's important. Judging a guitar to be of greater worth because it has a weightier price tag would be real craziness.

    I've been there. Many years ago I got a good bonus from work and it was from before I settled down so all of it was mine, if you know what I mean. I went out and bought a Gibson SG. It was 1k, which I know isn't a lot for some people but was a lot for me, certainly at that time in life.

    It was good, but don't get me started on the neck dive. Anyway, I played the hell out of it until I put together a partscaster Tele for less than 500. That partscaster was way better than the Gibbo. I couldn't believe it. I still have that partscaster, although it has had a neck replacement etc since.

    As for the SG, I swapped it for a 52 AVRI Tele, which I also still have. I had to admit to myself in that moment that I will always be a Fender kinda guy, but also that, as some have said above, the guitar finds you. They're all unique and so are we.

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    Thank you for chiming in!
    Nice story, I have no difficulty in trusting you ;)
     
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    The OP indicates the 64 is tighter, the 60s Classic easier, if I read correctly.

    What makes one Tele easy to play and one that fights or is tight?

    After having now built a larger number of Teles it seems to be the build of the neck that makes the most difference. It could be a certain flex in the neck woods.

    But precisely what about the neck makes the tension greater or lesser I haven’t been able to determine.

    I have a couple of slightly tighter guitars that I have simply put on a lower gauge of strings that has made them more fun to play. My 64 is one of them. It now has .9s on it.
     
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    I did a bit of an experiment yesterday evening.

    I selected eight of my electric guitars, and tuned them all up nicely.
    I set the Volume Knobs at 8, and the Tone Knobs to 6.

    I plugged one guitar after another thru my Vox AC15 amp, and played the same series of riffs/songs, some thru the clean channel, and the others thru the distorted channel.
    I left the amp settings exactly as they were throughout the experiment, with every single control set to 5.
    Clean: Steve Miller Band's Fly Like An Eagle
    Dirty: Free's All Right Now

    The guitars:
    Fender Sandblasted Stratocaster
    Danny Matthews Zombie Tech custom-built Tele
    Gibson Les Paul BFG
    Gibson SG Naked
    Gibson Firebird Zero
    Ibanez AVS10A Artcore Vintage (jazz box)
    Ibanez SA120
    Devlin DVE 700-TS

    All guitars have fairly fresh strings on them.
    Most have Ernie Ball Super Slinky's (9's), the Devlin and the Ibanez SA120 have Ernie Ball Primo Slinky's on them (9.5's), and the jazz box has D'Addario flat-wound 10's on it.

    I toggled thru all the pickup positions as I played each guitar.
    It got a little loud, but I worked at it steadily, playing with the same consistent technique and attack.
    And then I did some subjective, unscientific scoring for each guitar.

    Bear in mind, all the guitars sounded great, and each sounded just a bit different from all the others.
    I will gladly take each of them to a gig, and I will make all of them work just fine.

    Here's how the guitars that rose to the top of each category did:

    Sounds the most like the original record album:
    (Steve Miller song)
    Fender Stratocaster
    Danny Matthews Tele
    (Free song)
    Ibanez jazz box
    Ibanez SA120

    Loudest (at the control settings described above):
    Gibson Firebird Zero
    Ibanez SA120

    Most unique tones:
    Ibanez jazz box
    Devlin DVE 700

    Most sustain:
    Gibson Firebird Zero
    Devlin DVE 700

    Warmest, most pleasing clean tones:
    Ibanez jazz box
    Fender Stratocaster

    Greatest, head-turning, sonic-ally gut-crunching distortion tones:
    Gibson Firebird Zero
    Ibanez SA120

    Most comfortable to hold and play:
    Ibanez jazz box
    Tie: Ibanez SA120/Gibson SG


    Is there anything to be learned from this experiment?
    I don't know.

    In support of the OP's position, it's surprising how much a lesser-expensive guitar can grab you when compared to a pricier, name-brand guitar.

    And the fact that the Firebird Zero, which has been panned by critics from Hong Kong to Holcomb, Kansas, did so well when stacked up to ostensibly better guitars?
    And the Ibanez SA120, which cost me exactly $85 in a local pawn shop the other day?

    That's a bit of a surprise to me.

    Anyway, carry on.
    Rock and roll.

    :)

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    Which did you honestly overall enjoy playing the most?
     
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    Good point. I don't know the answer, I firmly believe in the sum of the parts thing.
    It really hard to explain, it is a simple matter of feeling: I do know that my 64 is a good guitar in all senses, no doubt; but my hands seme to prefer the MIM and the classic 60.
    I am just trying to be a wise man and accept it.
     
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    Maybe put a set of the PV 64 pickups in the 60s Classic. They are indeed better pickups. I find the ‘64 neck pickup is the best of all the Fender range.
     
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