Marshall “Bluesbreaker” ala’ Tone Master...

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  1. stantheman

    stantheman Doctor of Teleocity

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    I’m not talking about the Code 100, I mean a serious 1962 Model Marshall
    Bluesbreaker - a total game changer for the Amplifier I consider “the Icon
    of all Icons”.
    The people @ Bletchley Park did break The Enigma Code, doing
    so was a contributing factor to ending WWII - so why not model a Marshall
    Bluesbreaker and leave The Roadie to do The P.A.?

    So many people are thrilled with their Fender Tone Masters so why not do a
    Bluesbreaker that “does a Bluesbreaker” amazingly well?


    Like Tom Hagen said - “if we don’t get into it someone else will.”
    Marshall has Friends in Asia with the aptitude too, like Fender.

    Same dimensions, a virtual clone - but weighing in under 40 lbs., and attractively priced with the masses in mind @ $1000.00.

    Like Solazzo said: “Sonny was hot for my deal - and You knew it was the right
    thing to do...it’s good business.”

    In this day & age not a lot of people are willing to drop big BIG MONEY on anything unless it involves a roof over their head and food in their belly.
    It’s good business.
     
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    I'm assuming this isn't in the works, but instead you're asking for Marshall to make that?

    While high end modeling isn't my area of knowledge, it seems like clean is easier to get from SS than complex tube dirt?
    Thus Fender made millions happy with a "new" $1000 SS clean tone.
    I'm not sure they could satisfy us enough with a one sound Marshall, or for that matter that enough of us want a JTM45?
    I want a '67 Plexi 100, maybe a modeler could be several early Marshall models?
     
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    I bet more of us would buy a JMP-1 into a 200w class D power amp, all in a 1x12 combo though!
     
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    I think is already done. And I have TWO!!!

    Please, check the Marshall Origin 50

    I have a Combo and a head. The combo is like a 1x12" Bluesbreaker. It has a Neodymium speaker and is feather weight compared to the "real" bluesbreaker. I has become my "go to" amp. I am seriously considering adding some corner protectors because is having a lot of travel

    Remember the Bluesbreaker is just a Tremolo JTM45 in a combo box
     
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    I’m not sure I understand this quote. I thought the Tone Master was developed in house at Fender. The USA has plenty of software engineers with this expertise. I’m sure Marshall wouldn’t have a problem finding the talent to do what you suggest. However, in all likelihood Marshall would overprice their product.

    I agree. Even the cheapest modelers can produce great clean tones or even good edge of breakup tones. To my ears, modelers seem to fare poorly at unaffected overdrive and distortion tones. They sound ok in a mix but leave a lot to be desired on their own.
     
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    we already didn't need the Tonemasters, so why should we need a Bluesbreaker model??? Buy the real deal...tubes rule,baby!
     
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    If you entered the modeling forum deliberately to say this... please stop trolling :cool:
     
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    Just FYI: I use the "New Posts" link as my method of accessing the forum posts and as a result I barely pay any attention to which forum I'm in at any given moment, it's not really emphasized. I know some folks catch up forum by forum but not everyone does.
     
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    Same here and I suspect that most do similarly. That said, I'm no fan of trolling, no matter how you get there.
     
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    Certainly some posters don't deserve the benefit of the doubt in every case ;)

    This was more of a general FYI than a situation-specific point I guess. I've noticed that some members aren't aware of the other way of scanning the posts, and assumptions get made that you sought out a particular forum, when I know that I almost never notice where I'm navigated to.

    ( @codamedia did say "if" so this isn't even really directed at them, either.)
     
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    That is precisely why I said .... "If you entered the modeling forum deliberately"....
    That does give him the benefit of the doubt ;)
     
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    Gentlemen, I assure you all that I believe I was posting a
    valid thought on the proper forum when I made the original
    posting.
    I sincerely believe that Marshall would have a winner with
    a Bluesbreaker that would do everything a Bluesbreaker does without the need of a furniture mover.

    I regret bringing the question forth.
    - Richard Stanley
     
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    I've always found that the subtle coloration of a clean or slightly broken up amp was much harder to model correctly than full-on dirt. Even the old Line 6 beans and the Johnson box could do a reasonable cranked JCM800, but the Fender models were a joke. You can stick your choice of $100 Marshall-In-A-Box in front of a clean amp and get pretty close, it shouldn't be hard to stick one in a combo with a class D power amp and some neodymium speakers.
     
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    I saw it!

    If you read a few posts down, you'll see I gave you the benefit of the doubt on giving him the benefit of the doubt ;)
     
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    Having gone from tube hybrid amps to modeling in the last few years i do find the concept interesting. It does seem like they could just build upon the Origin series for this though.
     
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    After doing just that I can say without reservation that there is a difference. It is a subtle difference but the more
    I listened it became more distinct.

    It would be interesting if someone like Johan “Let’s Go” Segeborn (my entire Family is doing “Let’s Go”) - anyways
    it would be cool if Johan could switch out the EL-34’s and
    listen to see if KT-66’s got closer with a Bassbreaker 45 to
    a Bluesbreaker. Johan’s gotten very close already but to
    someone who’s experienced a real Bluesbreaker at various stages both clean and cranked - not quite.

    I have read where one guy sold off a Bluesbreaker to save
    cash with buying a Bassbreaker and if this is real I believe
    he/she is experiencing some hearing loss may be the explanation.

    The real sleeper in the Bassbreaker Series to me is the
    30R that’s on “In The Blues” on youtube, pretty nice Amp.
     
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    There was a Marshall amp that contained nothing but sounds of classic Marshall amps. I forget what it was called, but it was criticized for only containing Marshall models. It's been discontinued and replaced the the Code series. I have one, and the Marshall models are truly sick (especially the JCM800). The others are... blah...
     
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    I think Marshall would be silly to not try and replicate what appears to be a succesfull NEW product range by Fender with the Tonemasters.

    BUT in thinking it through a bit more it leaves a few questions.

    I am not so sure that a Bluesbreaker would be the right first model to target.

    Who, how old and would that market segment BUY a very close modelled version of a Bluesbreaker?

    I am a middle aged child of the seventies and that amp is too old to be of interest to me.....would older players, that amp would appeal to, be open to a modelled version?... I suspect not.

    Also, as a not so patient customer waiting till November for the next delivery of the 20 Watt Studio Vintage model (Studio Vintage 20 - Plexi and Studio Classic 20 - JCM 800) I also suspect this then plagiarises sales from this line.....

    Which leaves what models as viable, i.e. high volume sales potential, left?
     
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