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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by stormsedge, Jan 20, 2021.
If anybody else tells me I’ve got a non-stick frying pan courtesy of NASA...................
Eggs are going up around these parts, the chickens are so confused.
I tend to agree that, with the state of the Earth and mankind’s treatment of it, we could spend our money much better by sorting out our home before we try and visit another planet. Never-the-less, I’d hesitate to to state that we’ll never realistically mine Mars. You’d never have convinced my a grandmother, when she was a little girl, that something that became known as an aeroplane, was anything other than science fiction.
how's the fishing on mars, and the beers, don't forget about the beers.
what if there are creepy things hanging around the fishing holes?
Yes, that would certainly be helpful, too.
Tell ‘em it wasn’t. Teflon was invented in the 30’s.
Yeah, I know, but others don’t and it drives me mad...................there’re better products out there anyway!
Start the Martian - There goes the neighborhood meetings
Ack, ack... ack, ack, ack!
Love that movie.
Unfortunately this part of the discussion went sideways, so I won't bother trying to sort that out... just talking past each other. And there's plenty to take issue with about NASA generally, of course. No apologist here.
But I'll point out there's readily available info on objectives, progressing research goals and results, and oversight on these and other missions. It's not like these things don't exist or somehow that NASA is "exempt." These links took all of a few minutes to find. There's more out there for anyone wondering what's going on and to discuss and debate whether the goals are worthwhile or 'tangible' or met, if the oversight is lax, etc.
Cool thing the Internet can be. Cheers. (and back to music! )
Goals of the new mission:
IG audit on planning, costs, risks, etc. for the 2020 Mars program from back in 2017.
Appendix B lists the history of the Mars projects and 'significant discoveries.'
A budget report from 2017 with more details.
Information on the related Congressional oversight committees.
https://www.nasa.gov/offices/ocfo/appropriations/congressional_committeesMeetings of at least one of the committees are even available in video:
You don't need to sort anything out, and weblinks to obscure documents and meetings really don't demonstrate anything beyond showing that NASA is long-winded when they are seeking money and vague and brief when they are explaining cost overruns and mishaps. They do a lot of both.
Weird that you didn't include any of these outside observations of NASA in your brief web search. Skepticism is an important skill in appraising the performance of any major endeavor.
I saw the movie Mars Attacks, those Martians aren't screwing around.
I say skip Mars and put a rover on Europa that can melt its way through the ice to the ocean below. Now that would be something! We might actually find what we're looking for.
(1) Because we can!
(2) At the exponential rate that humanity's population has grown in the last 100 years, we are soon going to need a second home.
(3) Leif Erickson, Christopher Columbus, Neil Armstrong, James T. Kirk: where would humanity be without our great explorers?
Elon Musk said something along the lines of it being his intent to die on Mars. He also made it clear that he did not mean on the landing. Godspeed, Elon.
Now that I think about it, I can think of a few folks I'd like to send with him.
I'm glad to report that they are working on just that mission.
We would be smarter, if we would clean the ocean. Mars, come on...
You gotta try Animal Crossing: New Horizons.
No. 1 is unadulterated hubris and proves my point.
No. 2 is a ludicrous premise for a movie, to say nothing about being far removed from reality (the Earth is not overpopulated, not even close).
No 3. is partially true. You are right that Christopher Columbus was a great man and courageous explorer. But James T. Kirk was a B-movie actor whose shining moment came in an SNL skit where he cautioned folks like you about unquestioning worship of fantasy.
Besides, the best Star Trek movie ever made was Galaxy Quest. Everybody knows that.
(1) Pushing the limits is instinctive to humans. Running the 100 yard dash/100 meters in under 10.0 seconds; running the mile in under 4 minutes; climbing Everest; Columbus' journies; Magellan's crew's circumnavigation of the globe (Magellan was killed in Asia); Apollo 11: the list goes on and on and there undoubtedly will be more additions to it in the future.
(2) Theories of population decimation go back to at least 1798. An Essay on the Principle of Population - Wikipedia
(3) James T. Kirk was no Erickson, Columbus, Magellan or Armstrong, but he did make it big. Then the realities of life kicked in. The Enterprise was retired and turned into a low earth orbit restaurant only to have Kahn show up with the health department one day and have it shut down.
Indeed they have. And yet, here we are.
I think your post is another excellent example of "pushing the limits."