Making the EJ Strat play better...with a new neck!

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I had to find out if changing out the maple fretboard neck of the EJ for a rosewood fretboard neck would make it play better, and if it would change the sound. The neck I settled on was a Robert Cray neck from Stratosphere.

When it arrived, it looked much lighter than it did in the photos. I lightly sanded it and applied 5 coats of F-One fretboard oil on it. The fretboard darkened noticeably and felt less "gritty." It's not the naturally oily rosewood I'd like it to be, but it works.

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The neck arrived with the low E and A tuners broken. I let Stratosphere know and they emailed a shipping label to send them back. Within two weeks I had two replacement tuners from them. Both work fine.

Part of the transformation was putting the anodized pickguard back on it after a 6 month hiatus. Different lighting conditions change the way it looks.

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The Cray neck was the thickest, most reasonably priced, real rosewood fretboard Fender neck I could find. 9.5" radius (versus the 12" of the EJ neck) and pretty thick feeling. It fit well in the neck pocket. I did have to lower the saddles quite a bit, though.

What I notice most, and what I had hoped for, is that it's much easier to bend the strings with this neck than with the stock EJ neck. It's really noticeable on big twangy bends on the G and B strings.

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Tonally, there's a noticeable difference, too. Best way I can describe the sound is "less Stratty." It still sounds like a Strat, just not as much. It seems like the higher frequency tones are rounded off, and there's less of a "glassy" sound...a little more "brittle" sounding. Honestly, I think it sounded better with the stock neck, but it's not bad by any means and I'm still fiddling around with pickup heights.

Before putting this neck on, the body had a plastic pickguard. So the anodized guard could have some effect on the change in tone.

I put a dab of Vaseline under the string tree ramps and graphite in the string slots, and the guitar holds tuning really well even with a lot of vibrato bar dips and warbles.

The guitar held tuning really well with the stock neck, too, and I thought the main reason for this was the quarter sawn EJ neck and staggered height tuners. Seeing how it holds tuning so well with the new neck with its Kluson copy tuners makes me think the trem block design and slightly longer string length has more to do with its tuning stability.

I'm sure someone will chime in with a comment about how the EJ neck plays great, and I won't disagree. I just didn't think it worked as well as it should for string bends. I think it's a double whammy of shallow fret height and a lacquered fretboard.

I doubt I'll stick with the anodized pickguard. I think I actually like plastic pickguards more, and something that comes close to the body color would probably look better.

Was it worth spending $350 on a new neck? I think so. I'd easily take that much of a financial loss in selling the guitar as it was. This way I've got a keeper.

The only reason I can see for keeping the EJ neck is to put it back on the body if I ever decide to sell it. I haven't decided what to do with it yet. Would you sell it or keep it?


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just my personal opinion but my EJ strat neck has the best "feel" of all of my guitars....

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Though I generally prefer rosewood fingerboards on Fender type guitars, I agree that the EJ maple neck is really nice.
I have owned a few EJ Strats with maple fingerboard/necks.
I gotta try a rosewood EJ neck
The binding looks cool, IMO.
 

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Though I generally prefer rosewood fingerboards on Fender type guitars, I agree that the EJ maple neck is really nice.
I have owned a few EJ Strats with maple fingerboard/necks.
I gotta try a rosewood EJ neck
The binding looks cool, IMO.
Just out of curiosity, what is your best "feeling" neck/guitar?
 

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Just out of curiosity, what is your best "feeling" neck/guitar?
These.
They all have fairly deep, rounded profiles.
The black Cabronita partscaster has a MIJ AllParts TRO-Fat neck, and is my workhorse guitar.
My avatar guitar set the standard, it has a very round, deep Philip Kubicki neck.
The Les Pauls all have the big, rounded profiles.
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just my personal opinion but my EJ strat neck has the best "feel" of all of my guitars....

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I loved the "feel" of the EJ neck, but it's not a string bending-friendly neck. I had .10s on mine, tuned down to E flat. Still didn't work for me. And it's not because I have weak hands/fingers. I play a 27" baritone Tele with no problem.

I'm curious to know what gauge strings you use, do you tune to standard pitch, and is your action set low, medium, or high?
 

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I loved the "feel" of the EJ neck, but it's not a string bending-friendly neck. I had .10s on mine, tuned down to E flat. Still didn't work for me. And it's not because I have weak hands/fingers. I play a 27" baritone Tele with no problem.

I'm curious to know what gauge strings you use, do you tune to standard pitch, and is your action set low, medium, or high?
Hey SC,

I use 10's on all of my electrics. I've played standard tuning most of my life but I've been experimenting with 1/2 to whole step down lately. I was going to say, if it's bending that you're after, have you tried 9.5's or 9's?
I have done all of my own setups for the last 20 years or so. I set the relief and rough in the intonation 1st, then I lower the saddle screws as low as possible, till it starts to buzz. I slowly raise the saddles till it doesn't buzz anywhere on the neck. reset intonation and check for buzzing, and it's good to go. For me, this takes a couple of days minimum because it takes a while for the guitar to "settle'.
Another question, do you play any Gibsons? Just wondering how you "feel" about the Gib neck.
 

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Hey SC,

I use 10's on all of my electrics. I've played standard tuning most of my life but I've been experimenting with 1/2 to whole step down lately. I was going to say, if it's bending that you're after, have you tried 9.5's or 9's?
I have done all of my own setups for the last 20 years or so. I set the relief and rough in the intonation 1st, then I lower the saddle screws as low as possible, till it starts to buzz. I slowly raise the saddles till it doesn't buzz anywhere on the neck. reset intonation and check for buzzing, and it's good to go. For me, this takes a couple of days minimum because it takes a while for the guitar to "settle'.
Another question, do you play any Gibsons? Just wondering how you "feel" about the Gib neck.
Thanks for your input.

I haven't played 9s or 9.5s for years. I play with my fingers and have a heavy thumb, so thinner strings don't work well for me and don't feel right. .10s are just right, and on some 25.5 scale Fenders I'll go with 10.5s.

I don't have or play any Gibsons, but I do have a Heritage 535 and a couple short scale Fenders (24"). I'm not a fan of the way most Gibsons play. It's the really low action and "floppy" feel of the strings that I don't like. They seem more oriented to players with a light touch. With my technique, I need a guitar that has a higher string tension. I use 10.5s on the Heritage (24.75" scale) and 11s on the 24" scale guitars.

With the new neck on the EJ, there's almost all the string tension of the stock neck, but bends are much easier and it's totally playable in standard tuning.
 

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I had one of the EJ’s but the neck radius (or lack thereof) just felt too odd to me. Personal preference I guess…It was just so flat that it didn’t really feel all that great. But they are sought after so I didn’t have any problems selling it.
I just got a Cray neck as well and wanna try it in a build.
 

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I had one of the EJ’s but the neck radius (or lack thereof) just felt too odd to me. Personal preference I guess…It was just so flat that it didn’t really feel all that great. But they are sought after so I didn’t have any problems selling it.
I just got a Cray neck as well and wanna try it in a build.
I was wondering if you have any Gibsons or Epiphones? Do you like them?
Do you play acoustics?
 

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I was wondering if you have any Gibsons or Epiphones? Do you like them?
Do you play acoustics?
I have a nice little reissue Gibson Blues King (L-00) acoustic. I think it’s from early 2000’s. It’s a great little guitar and I like the smaller size body vs a dreadnaught. I definitely don’t need the extra volume of bigger size guitar and just play around at home mostly. So it’s a nice guitar for me.
 

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I have a nice little reissue Gibson Blues King (L-00) acoustic. I think it’s from early 2000’s. It’s a great little guitar and I like the smaller size body vs a dreadnaught. I definitely don’t need the extra volume of bigger size guitar and just play around at home mostly. So it’s a nice guitar for me.
The only reason I asked this was due to your comment about the EJ fretboard radius being "too flat". IIRC your L-00 has a 12" R fretboard.
 

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The L-00 is indeed a pretty flat radius. But doesn’t feel as flat to me as the EJ. I thought those EJ’s were really truly flat with no radius at all but could definitely be wrong. Could also be just in my mind too though… The EJ is definitely a nice guitar but just felt a little weird to me for whatever reason. Neck psychology!
 

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Your Strat with the Robert Cray neck is probably easier to bend due to the lower brake angle of the saddle height- versus the original EJ neck.

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The difference u hear is rosewood vs maple. Many say they don't hear it but i believe they just haven't had a situation where it was obvious like swapping a maple neck vs maple/RW. To my ear it's nit and day and the way you described it is basically pretty spot on. To take it even further, maple has a tighter bass, extended highs, more clarity, and a less compressed more snappy attack. RW has more mids and a more balanced sound which as you noted makes them sound less stratty in the way we have come to expect from early examples like Jimi, buddy guy, gilmour etc. Glassy, snappy, bright. I love them both but RW is my fav because i just find it more versitile sounding in a way that if i were to have one fender it must have a RW board. The saddle height also changes the sound a bit but nothing like the board. Mainly just making it easier to play with less break angle.
 

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Your Strat with the Robert Cray neck is probably easier to bend due to the lower brake angle of the saddle height- versus the original EJ neck.

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I did lower the saddles after putting the Cray neck on, but hadn't considered that as the reason for it being easier to play. I'm sure it's a factor. But before changing necks I played with a range of saddle heights, from higher to lower, and neither direction seemed to improve playability. When higher, strings were slightly easier to bend, which I suspect is because it made it easier to get my finger under the string adjacent to the one being bent.
 
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