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Discussion in 'The Stomp Box' started by Mimirr, Dec 28, 2020.
Just don't get Munsoned. Or try a blues driver like others said.
Okay. Sorry for the vague post. Let me try and describe what I want to hear from a pedal.
I'll be running it into the clean channel of my EVH 5150 III (it really does have a very nice Fender clean tone).
I'd like it to work well with both humbuckers and single coils, but most of the time single coils.
By punch, I mean that it has good low mids and bass. Uncompressed.
I want a warm sound, not so much bright, but still have note articulation.
I want it to have some grit on it. Like if you pick soft you can hear slight break up, but if you pick harder or strum you get a pleasant grit.
So, I guess responsive to touch and volume.
I'm not good with finding sound examples. So, take these with a grain of salt and use my description mostly. But since you guys want clips here are a few that I enjoy.
Mainly the intro guitar here.
The intro guitar here, too. Maybe a touch too bright, but I like the grit.
I think I'm describing a pedal with tone in the low mids and bass.
Also, see post #22.
Check my post #22 for sound examples.
Your clips are still too much gain for me. Even the one with just the Tumnus and Tele.
I checked out some videos of the Blues Driver and it has too much gain on tap. I liked the gain knob barely up, like around 8:00. It also didn't have that low mid push that I'm looking for. It was a bit grainy and bright.
I was thinking the same thing- MXR Micro Amp or Alembic Stratoblaster.
Okay. We might be on to something here. I watched the guy from JHS play an original Bluesbreaker pedal and I think it pretty close as far as how much gain I'm wanting from a pedal.
Xotic RC booster? Maybe the Pigtronix Philosophers Tone (version with the grit knob). VFE White Horse would probably work, too.
His Morning Glory sounds fabulous to me in every video I've ever seen, no matter who is playing it. For lower priced options there's the Tomsline and Rowin Bluesy, and the Mooer Blues Crab.
JHS pedals makes something called The Clover preamp. He has an episode on preamp pedals and goes over how his Clover is a modified version of an old Boss preamp pedal The Edge of U2 used. It has clean boost and a 3 band EQ boost. Might be what the doctor ordered if you’re shooting for a U2 sound.
After hearing your examples, I'm thinking the DOD 250 may be close to what you want (even though it's not really "bassy").
They have tone knobs.
Nobels ODR-1 adds bass to my ear.
So does Boss OD-3.
Or for even less drove the EP-Booster adds bass as well.
But just about any guitar, amp and overdrive pedal can make those sounds.
Bluesbreaker "pedal sound" is very dependent on the amp it's run into.
Sounds full and thick into a Marshall or other full thick toned amp, where the amp sounds more quiet and clean before boosting with the pedal.
Adding grit and push is enough if the amp eq is what you want from your dirt.
That's what the BB1 or all the copies like the morning glory are good for.
It does not really add or boost any tonal area, so your Fender clean from the 5150 will still need more low mids and bass because the BB adds none. I hear the bluesbreaker as flat to trebly sounding, or a lot like just turning the amp up louder.
I mentioned the brownie because it does add low mids and bass, thicker but without compression so it's punchy.
There was also the lovepedal purple plexi and a similar plexi style they sold through GC, not that expensive.
I have the lovepedal provalve that's the precurser to the purple plexi, and adds lowmids and bass like the cmatmods brownie, but with a different grit character.
We hear that the od808/ TS/ TS9 add mids, but those are upper mids, where you want low mids which is an entirely different sound.
Fender cleans are mid scooped.
Yeah the OD250 next to the BB1, I hear more low end thickness from the 250 and a more lean low end from the blues breaker.
More snarl at max gain with the OD250 as well, but there are a lot of versions of the BB1/ KoT/ PoT/ morning glory Mooer Blues Crab etc etc. Really there's hardly a better dirt circuit than the OD250, everyone should at least try one for a few weeks.
So, do you think I should go for the brownie or the 250 for what I'm looking for through my amp?
Try before you buy:
Snouse is definitely worth looking into if you’re digging the Bluesbreaker demos you’ve heard. One of the best modern versions around. There’s a wait list but it’s much shorter than the KOT.
Other drives renowned for/capable of fat low end:
The aforementioned Boss OD3
The aforementioned Nobels ODR1
*DOD Looking Glass (can do bright or fat, low to medium-high-ish gain depending on how you dial it in)
*(edit: how could I forget: MXR CBMOD)
*includes bass knob
How does the tone you have in mind compare with Mike Campbell here? Or JB?
I never really listened to that U2 song, but it sounds like a hollow body (maybe 335?) something with a humbucker through a Vox type tube amp compressed and attenuated to near break up. The Petty example is similar but likely a Tele, the JB clip is almost certainly a Strat.
Headed to LA, will record some clips when I'm back with some transparent gain/compression ideas with same set up on Tele, Strat and LP.
I prefer a 250 variant by oddfellow called the cave man, and also really like the VoodooLab Overdrive which might suit you a little better as it's got more bottom.
The Brownie might suit you better but it's really impossible to know until you try one or both
Chicago Stomp Works makes clones of the OD250 and the Voodoo Lab Overdrive AKA VLOD, one of those might be worth a try as they are maybe half the price of the brownie. The brownie is an overall heavier sound though, look for deals on ebay and reverb.