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"Love her madly" The Doors

Discussion in 'The BASS Place' started by sacizob, Dec 26, 2010.

  1. sacizob

    sacizob Friend of Leo's

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    I think the bass in this song is fantastic. The Doors didn't have a bass player but they did. From what I've heard, this particular bass player was asked to join the band and then Jim died.
     
  2. Paul in Colorado

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    I think it was Jerry Scheiff (sp).
     
  3. DADGAD

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    The Doors had several bass players.

    The Doors - Larry Knechtal
    Strange Days - Doug Lubahn
    Waiting for the Sun - Doug Lubahn, Kerry Magness & Leroy Vinegar.
    The Soft Parade - Harvey Brooks
    Morrison Hotel - Ray Neapolitan & Lonnie Mack
    L.A. Woman - Jerry Scheff
    Other Voices - Jack Conrad, Ray Neopolitan & Willie Ruff
    Full Circle - Chris Ethridge, Jack Conrad, Charles Larkey & Leland Sklar.

    I saw them once, in 1971 or 1972, when Morrison Hotel came out. There was definitely a bass player behind the stage. I could tell by the slides and slurs. By that style, I'd guess it was Lonnie Mack.
     
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    I always thought it was Ray Manzarek's feet?
     
  5. Maxwell Street

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    Ray's left hand live...
     
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    Only on the first album.
     
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    Exactly.

    I don't know how this feet-thing rumor ever started.

    Ray played a Fender Rhodes keyboard with his left hand for the bass parts
    (besides the real-life bass players):


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    I've been a huge Doors fan since I was a kid (I'm now 51) and for me, the jury is still out on a few tunes.

    I am well aware of Ray's use of the Fender Rhodes bass for left-hand bass applications, and his bass lines were often arpeggiated chords and octaves. Therefore, tunes like "Love Me Two Times", "Light My Fire", et al, STILL sound like Ray's left-hand bass to me. It's also the phrasing and tonality of the bass that lead me to believe this. Though they did use bassists on some tunes, I do not think it was wholesale replacement of Ray's left hand across the board. Back in the day, album credits could often be ambiguous.

    Opinions???
     
  9. Maxwell Street

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    Doug Lubahn was asked to join, the 5th Door, but declined to stay in Clear Light...
     
  10. Paul in Colorado

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    Ray's bio gives the low down on who played what and when. I don't think the Doors used an additional bass player live until they toured after Morrison died. (Other Voices)
     
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    The Door's never used a bass player live (when Morrison was alive).
    In the studio, there was always a bass player. Manzarek would play the keyboard bass lines and the bassist would double the keys.
     
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    There's a documentary on the making of the first Doors album that airs on VH1 Classic, and they talk about this a bit and do say there was a bass player on parts of that album, and Ray shows how he used the Fender Rhodes just like that one above for many of the parts.

    Great doc, definitely worth checking out!
     
  13. FirstBassman

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    Like this:










     
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    I saw them once, live. It was at the Long Beach Sports Arena Feburary 7, 1970. The Flying Burrito Brothers and Albert King opened for them. (Albert King lit a fire for the blues in me that night but that's another story.)

    When they played "Roadhouse Blues", it was undeniable that there was a bass player back stage somewhere. The sound nailed the studio recording's bass line & tone. You can't do that on a key bass.

    Anyone else see them live?
     
  15. Mid Life Crisis

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    Agree with the OP about the bass playing on Love Her Madly. In fact, last time I heard it, a couple of weeks ago, I remember thinking how the bass was outstanding on the track. In fact, same goes for the song LA Woman too.
     
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    I'll 2nd that. LA Woman was never one of my favorite Doors albums but the bass on the title cut is.

    Kudos to Jerry Scheff. He talks about it a bit on his web site
     
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    As a huge Doors fan...those youtube videos made me smile.

    IMO Ray Manzarek never got the credit he deserved for the Carnival sound he created on keyboards...very distinctive. Married with Morrison's crooning and lyrics, they created some haunting and unforgettable music.

    For me, Light My Fire defines the sound of the Summer of Love, 1967. Love Street was always one of my favorites also... thanks for those videos, GREAT playing!

    (Edited for spelling.)
     
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