Long wires?

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  1. guitarmoron

    guitarmoron Tele-Meister

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    is there any harm/negative issue to using longer than normal electrical wires?

    Thanks
     
  2. RodeoTex

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    Probably not, unless they start acting like an antenna or something.
    I never cut off the pickup wires anyway.
     
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  3. guitarmoron

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    I read somewhere that they muffled the tone, I didn’t see how that was possible
     
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    In theory, the longer the cable, the more signal loss. In this instance, it’s not a thing. You’ll be fine.


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  5. Shuster

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    Depends, the longer they get, the heavier the gauge. Unless we are talking just inches;)
     
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    I agree. Length of wire affects signal loss. I don’t think a few inches will make any appreciable difference in tone. Besides, there are so many more interesting irrelevant things to obsess about.
     
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    If you're talking about the AC power wires, consider that there are already probably many miles of wire between your amp and the place that power was generated.
     
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    From this, I infer that the "electrical wires" you referred to in your first post mean "guitar signal cable".

    Cables have capacitance, the amount per foot depending on what they're made from and how they're made. The total capacitance increases with length of the cable. This capacitance acts as a low-pass filter, decreasing the amount of high frequencies in the signal by the time it gets to the amp.
     
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  9. archetype

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    Please define. All wires are electrical wires. "electrical wires" means what? What are they being used for?
     
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    now I'm wondering how long they would have to be to make a difference. like imagine the size of guitar to make a difference from the pickup to the control cavity.
     
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    Thank you Arch for asking for clarification.
     
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    If you are super concerned with signal loss on long cables add an on board buffer. Jerry Garcia's guitars had an interesting buffered in& out wiring system
     
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    Sorry guys, i am the GUITARMORON , i meant the wires inside the guitar, to the pots pups etc.

    I just got home from the hospital and i was a little out of sorts LOL
     
  14. sjtalon

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    Run them from point a to point b....................if you go a tad long, o well.

    Electricity travels about the same as light (186,000 mph w/o any attenuation)) so it won't really know the trip is a little longer if the wires are overkill length wise.

    Why do you ask ??

    Here's a good explanation of distance:

     
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    I am horrible solderer, LOL the extra wire would be for my mistakes LOL
     
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    Guitarmoron....I feel like your name most of the time..o_O
     
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  17. archetype

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    Just route the wires neatly and if there is an extra inch or two, here and there, it makes no practical difference. If you have an extra foot of wire coiled up under the pickguard, that could theoretically cause a problem. Since you're not going to do that it's a waste of brain power to ponder it.

    Practice soldering on something other than your guitar, then wire the guitar, and play on.
     
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    thanks for the help
     
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    Longer wires make a big difference in the background noise level of the guitar as they can act as antennas.

    I disagree about little bits of extra wire inside the guitar. You can be pretty sloppy in wiring up the pickups to the switches & pots and pay for it.

    When I rewired my Tele I would estimate the reduction in wire inside the guitar was probably measured in feet. My MIM Fender was VERY sloppy. I didn't trim the pickup leads but I used much much much shorter lengths of wire to do the switching, pots, cavity grounds, jack, etc..

    Premier guitar has/had some wiring articles in the past few issues where they talk about this. They mention Strats as more sensitive than Teles, Strats can have a lot of wire inside them.

    As for instrument cables.. I haven't done so but I think in some kind of blind test where I got to use my guitar + amp I could differentiate:

    - 10ft cable from 20ft cable (I can hear the missing treble as the cable length goes up)
    - Presence or absence of a single true-bypass pedal that is turned off. Assuming a test of a) Guitar -> Cable -> Amp b) Guitar -> Cable -> Pedal -> Cable -> Amp.

    Not sure how we ever got to the whole religion about True Bypass being the holy grail of pedals. Maybe if your guitar is excessively bright & you never touch the tone knob that's fine but for me the TB pedal can easily sound like a blanket thrown over the amp.
     
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    It's actually 186,000 mi/sec
     
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