List of original Wide Range Humbucker replacements

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  1. TimTam

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    I drew up a list for myself of all current replacements I know for the original Fender Wide Range Humbuckers. Thought it might be of interest to others. Not making any comments re quality, just that they are 'replacements' (with some manufacturers defining that term more broadly than others !). I did think it was useful to distinguish on magnet type, which is at least part of the 'story'. If I got anything wrong, please suggest corrections/additions. I'll add any extra info to the list for as long as the board allows me to edit.

    * CuNiFe pole pieces (ie same as originals)
    Telenator (until Dec 31, 2017)

    * other magnetic alloy pole pieces
    Telenator
    Novak
    Lollar
    Creamery
    Porter
    Brandonwound
    Mojotone
    Mojo
    Martin A Smith
    Seymour Duncan
    Catswhisker
    Fralin
    Schuyler Dean Apex
    Barfuss

    * bar magnets
    Fender (incl Squier, MIJ)
    Guitarfetish
    Protoguitars
    EY Guitar Parts Music
    Artec
     
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    I'll add one, it that's okay: Tim at Sunday Handwound made me a fantastic, high-quality, custom WRHB. Pretty sure he can make just about anything (I've owned 4 of his pedals, too!).
     
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    Adding to my list ..

    * other magnetic alloy pole pieces
    Rautia Guitars
     
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    I'll add one was well-- Texas-based Rio Grande pickups. Only one model, and doesn't sound anything like a wide range-- but it fits the footprint.
     
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    I have one of the last Telenator WRHs installed in the neck position of my Tele. It is the sweetest humbucker I own. Unfortunately Telenator was unable to to keep up a source of the CuNiFe alloyed magnets, and has discontinued the business. All the other makers of the WRH use Alnico magnets. This makes it a standard humbucker in my estimation.
     
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    The Telenator WRHB's are/were the closest clones of the originals, but the ones that use Alnico magnet polepieces can be voiced to be close in sound to the originals by the wind and Alnico magnet type used. They are not really regular humbuckers, as a regular humbucker has steel poles and a bottom bar magnet. The CuNiFe magnet polepieces were originally chosen because CuNiFe mag rods were the easiest at the time to thread to become polepieces, I assume that now AlNiCo rod material is available in a harder form that can be threaded. If properly voiced, with AlNiCo mag pp's a WRHB can sound close to the originals. With Telenator gone now, it's a moot point, as the use of other magnet materials is going to be the only option unless somehow affordable CuNiFe mag rods become available again at a reasonable price, which I doubt.
    Al
     
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    Sounds like your approach is similar to the custom winder I use.
     
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    I have been accumulating some information on variations in the Fender reissue WRHBs. Unfortunately they are poorly defined in Fender literature, which adds confusion as to what exactly is in any given Fender 'WRHB' guitar. AFAIK the original Seth Lover-designed CuNiFe WRHBs were consistent in design and manufacture throughout their lifetime (until discontinued around 1979). However, since the Fender reissues with Alnico bar magnets, there have been a number of iterations.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Wide_Range

    1. Fender America alnico bar magnet WRHB reissue (actually MIM ?) 1998-now

    2. Lee Ranaldo signature Jazzmaster circa 2009
    "A more recent reissue, currently exclusive to the Lee Ranaldo signature Jazzmaster, has been "re-voiced" to Ranaldo's specifications, but appears to be constructed similarly to the Mexican reissue."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Wide_Range
    WRHB part number 007-8427-000
    Renaldo quoted on his guitar's WRHB reissue here:
    https://www.guitarplayer.com/guitar...usses-his-fender-signature-edition-jazzmaster

    3. The reissue WRHB was again 'revoiced' around 2012 (new maker ? different to Renaldo one ?) but apparently only lasted for several lines 2012-2013 - they were only in the American Vintage series Thinlines and Customs and possibly one or two others ...
    http://www.tdpri.com/threads/ngd-72-thinline-reissue.561528/#post-6412700
    https://www.musicradar.com/reviews/guitars/fender-american-vintage-72-telecaster-thinline-498893

    However these WRHB reissue part numbers may have remained the same as the initial MIM reissues ...
    http://www.tdpri.com/threads/new-improved-wrhb-ris.691465/page-2#post-7326641
    005-4595-000 neck
    005-4200-000 bridge
    https://issuu.com/fender/docs/2014_fender_accessories_pricelist/18
    Differences between neck and bridge ? - string/pole spacing ? winding ?
    If you order one of these part numbers now from Fender, you presumably do not get a revoiced version.

    4. The American Professional series has shawbuckers in the WRHB casing ...
    https://www.musicradar.com/reviews/fender-american-professional-telecaster-deluxe-shawbucker
    771-0448-000 bridge
    771-0449-000 neck

    5. There is also the Squier WRHB and Fender Japan ceramic bar magnet WRHB (1983-?). If anyone has more detailed information on these, please provide it.

    If I have missed any other Fender WRBH reissues, please provide information.

    Bottom line is that Fender WRHBs (original or reissue iterations) that look essentially identical from above can be very different pickups 'under the hood'. The underside of the original WRHB (top in this pic) is however quite different to those of (most? all?) reissues (bottom in pic) ...
    http://curtisnovak.com/pickups/repairs/WRHB-ri/5.jpg
     
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    Adding to my list ..

    * other magnetic alloy pole pieces
    Revel Pickups
     
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    More ...

    * other magnetic alloy pole pieces
    Arcane Inc.
    Jess Loureiro Pickups

    Also, the proliferation of WRHB replacements - all essentially aspiring to sound the same, like the originals - highlights the need for a standardized way of presenting pickup performance, like microphone or speaker manufacturers conform to. 'Marketing speak' to describe how pickups might actually sound just doesn't cut it anymore. We really need a frequency spectrum graph, recorded under one or more standardized conditions. Plus sound files under the same conditions.

    If any of the TDPRI pickup boffiins out there has an original WRHB and the means to do standardized recordings and frequency analysis, that would give us a benchmark against which to evaluate the replacements.
     
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    You've just described members antiguatele & rigatele. They do this & antigua is documenting it. All different kinds. If someone trusts him (I do & even offered pickups to him) with a vintage WRHB to test. Antigue has the link in his sig.

    Surely someone has done a bode plot test on 1 already?
     
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