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Discussion in 'Worship Service Players' started by rolleiguy54, Feb 7, 2010.

  1. rolleiguy54

    rolleiguy54 TDPRI Member

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    Our church choir is trying to join the 21st century. We like a lot of the contemporary praise and worship music. Most of it is not in our hymnal.
    How do you handle royalties and license fees? I am grateful for any help.
     
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    Are you planning on selling the music ? You can play the music without a license .
     
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    I believe the church needs some sort of copyright license to have copyrighted music played on premesis. We use CCLI and upgraded to their song select, lot's of music to choose from and song select will even transpose keys for you.
     
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    That's fine if you're going to play everything by ear; but what if you need lyric sheets for the chorus? What if you use sheet music arrangements of copyrighted works?
     
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    I found this maybe it will answer some questions for you.

    CCLI – Christian Copyright License International

    Coverage from CCLI (www.ccli.com) - Allows churches to reproduce songs in the CCLI Song program for congregational singing in the following ways:



    * Print songs, hymns, lyrics in bulletins for congregational singing;
    * create custom songbooks for congregational singing;
    * create visual format for projection of lyrics for use in congregational singing;
    * Arrange, print and copy your own arrangements for songs used for congregational singing where no published version is available;
    * Record your worship services (provided you only record live music and do not reproduce accompaniment tracks) and sell for up to $4 each for cassette tapes and CDs and $12 each for videotapes and DVDs.



    What You Can NOT Do:



    * Photocopy or duplicate octavos, cantatas, musicals, handbell music, keyboard arrangements, vocal scores, orchestrations or other instrumental works;
    * Reproduce or make practice or rehearsal trax;
    * Reproduce or copy sound recordings;
    * Make translations of songs;
    * Post any songs to the internet
    * Reproduce songs in videos or audio recordings, unless recorded live in your worship service;
    * Use songs that are not in the CCLI Song Catalog program (for example, some secular songs like “White Christmas” by Irving Berlin);
    * Use any copyrighted material besides songs.

    WORSHIPcast License From CCS (www.copyrightsolver.com)

    One-Stop Church Internet Song Performance License - Allows churches to:



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    Webcast worship services and events featuring your performances of more than 16 million songs from ASCAP, BMI and SESAC repertoires.
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    Archived audio files of streamed songs for listening (non-downloadable)
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    Songs must be performed by your own musicians and singers, or artists/groups, who grant permission to use their recordings of the songs.



    What You Can NOT Do:



    * Download MP3 or digital song files (or provide for download)
    * Webcast third party sound recordings or accompaniment tracks.
    * Use any copyrights other than songs on your website; e.g., videos, literary works, visual images, etc.



    PERFORMmusic License from CCS - One-stop license with more than 16 million songs from ASCAP, BMI and SESAC allows churches to perform & play songs for non-exempt activities:

    * Playing music before or after a church service;
    * Non-exempt Concerts (non-admission charge);
    * Music on hold for phone system;
    * Music through a speaker system in the church facilities (bookstores, coffee shops);
    * Music for an aerobics/exercise class;
    * Seminars and conferences;
    * Weddings and funerals;
    * Music at church functions such as a youth events, special dinners, fund raisers etc.
    * No reporting required

    What it does NOT cover:



    * Concerts with an admission charge
    * Dramatico-musical works performances

    CVLI – Christian Video License International

    Coverage from CVLI (www.cvli.com) - Allows the following:

    * Pastors can use selected movies to illustrate sermon points;
    * Sunday schools and Youth Groups can view the latest videos;
    * Educational classes can show videos for teaching and training. If movies have multiple producers, permission is needed from all copyright holders.

    What You Can NOT Do:

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    Reproduce or copy a video or film in whole or in part
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    Synchronize any portion of a video or film to another medium
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    Charge admission to view the movies
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    Show videos or films on TV broadcast or on the Internet

    We recommend these licenses, as they provide coverage for some basic rights for many activities that your church probably needs. These licenses give you a solid foundation and represent a good place to start in establishing copyright compliance in your church activities. You can download a more comprehensive "White Paper" on "Do I Really Need All These Licenses?" at the CCS Education Center.
     
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    So I guess the answer is find the publisher that has the titles you want and request permission from them. The Harry Fox Agency may also have something you want.
     
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    You need a copyright license to play songs in church that are contemporary?

    I did not know this. Am I misunderstanding you guys?
     
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    Yea it was news to me too!!!
     
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    The CCLI license is designed to cover most contemporary songs. (If they are on the list.) Our church has been using it for years and rarely do we find something that isn't covered. (Of course, we're not doing everything.)

    We reproduce the lyrics in the bulletin and put them on the Powerpoint slides.

    YMMV.
    Dale
     
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    Nope unless you are in a newly planted church they may already have a CCLI license and the financial managers of the church, not the music ministry handles that end.
     
  12. rolleiguy54

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    Thanks everyone . This is very helpful.

    God Bless.

    Jim
     
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    Also on this note, CCLI has some voluntary reporting requirements, as they make up charts kind of like billboard top 50 or whatever, also I am not totally sure but the reporting also allows them to pay the actual publishers/owners of the music in use.
     
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