Let’s see your 50’s-era TWEEDS (and clones)!

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  1. Squawker

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    Interesting - might need to get some. mu = 35

    Very different pinout:

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    My 5E3 and 5F1. The 5E3 was a Craigslist find. It's in a tweed Blues Jr cabinet with a Weber 12a125 speaker. The 5F1 I built from a Franklyn kit. It's in a Pro Jr cabinet with a 1957 10" Jensen alnico.

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    Great thread!

    A year and a half ago, I was lucky to pick up a 1957 Tremolux. The chassis was nearly 100% original, only the bias cap had ever been changed. However it came in a reproduction cab, which was the wrong size. The cab it came in was perfect for a 5F11. So I ordered a new repro cab for the 57 Tremolux, and built a 5F11 clone.

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    I should note that the Tremolux has been serviced - the tech stuffed the old caps.
     
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    All I have to show is my Mojotone 5F1 clone, aka The Midget. It came to me very cheap but horrendously assembled. My tech took it apart and put it back together, and now I can say it came to me kind of cheap but sounds great: all of 5w of great tone.

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    At one point it got ideas of grandeur and accompanied me on a big band gig. I was under-powered, but still managed to be audible and to sound good! And… the mic is there for show: the soundman decided that I had enough volume like that!

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    Won't do this again, but for quieter settings (e.g. just you, a double bass and a horn) it sounds perfect. And needless say, sounds great with a tele or strat too…
     
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    Killer, killer, killer…
     
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    I give credit to most of the ideas used to the designer of the BYOC Tweed Royal and the associated forum board. I merely implemented them in my own way with some additional tweaks.

    I may consider doing a video in the future. But for now here is a write-up I made for myself to remember what this thing can do. (I'm not getting any dang younger LOL)

    Tweedman Deluxe 5E3Plus

    The Tweedman Deluxe 5E3Plus combines a standard 5E3 Push-Pull output with selectable Single Ended output, Tone, and Negative Feedback Loop control. This gives the user multiple choices for dialing in classic Fender Tweed 6V6 amps. The addition of a Master Volume VVR increases its versatility for use at lower volume levels.

    Preamp Section: The 5E3 Deluxe and 5F2A Princeton had the exact same Tone knob while the 5F1 Champ did not have one. The Tone knob on the Tweedman Deluxe has a built-in switch. When you turn it full counter clockwise, it removes the Tone knob from the circuit completely for 5F1 Champ specs. The Cut knob on the Tweedman Deluxe controls a variable negative feedback loop. When on full it is just like the negative feedback loop found on the 5F1 Champ and 5F2A Princeton (there was no knob for this on the originals. It was internally hardwired via a single resistor). Just like the Tone knob, the Cut knob on the Tweedman Deluxe has a built-in switch. When you turn it full counter clockwise, it removes the negative feedback loop from the circuit completely for 5E3 Deluxe specs (no negative feedback loop). Other options like 5E3 specs with a nfb loop (for a cleaner sound and more headroom), 5F1 without a nfb loop, varying the nfb loop, etc. can be used. Also there are the regular interactive 5E3 controls which can give a wide variation of sounds.

    Output section: The Tweedman Deluxe output section has a power amp that can switch between a single 6V6 tube, Class A cathode biased, in a Single End (S.E.) configuration at 5 watts OR two 6V6 tubes, Class AB cathode biased, in a Push-Pull (P.P.) configuration at 15 watts. For 5F1 Champ or 5F2A Princeton specs, turn the mode switch to S.E. mode. For 5E3 Deluxe specs, turn the mode switch to P.P.

    Main Settings:

    5F1 Champ
    - Tone off, Cut on full, Use Bright Input, Normal Volume off, SE for Class A single power tube.

    5F2A Princeton - Tone on, Cut on full, Use Bright Input, Normal Volume off, SE for Class A single power tube.

    5E3 Deluxe - Tone on, Cut off, PP for Class AB dual power tube.

    5E3 Deluxe w/nfb loop - Tone on, Cut on full, PP for Class AB dual power tube. This is similar to the 5F10 Harvard but cathode biased not fixed bias like the original.

    Power: The Power knob functions as an on/off switch and also a variable voltage regulator master volume control. It regulates the voltages to the complete amp to maintain the same tone at all levels from full on to bedroom quiet.

    Speaker: Weber 12A125-O smooth cone Alnico 12” 20 watt 8 ohm for vintage mid 50’s tones. This is of course a compromise. The 5F1 Champ used an 8” speaker while the 5F2A Princeton and the 5F10 Harvard used a 10” speaker. The 5E3 Deluxe had a 12” speaker and later 5E3s speaker cones were ribbed.
     
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    Carl’s Octal Princeton and Victoria 5E9-A. The Princeton has power scaling which is great for low volume needs. Right now I'm running a 6v6, which I feel is the perfect match. I wasn't as thrilled with a 6L6.

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    Sorry about the horrible black tolex in the middle.... LOL

    But, here're my '59 Bassman Reissue, my 1958 Twin and my Cox Ultimate 5e3.
     
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    My '57 Deluxe, as found and then restored. I did the amp work, had the cabinet recovered by Greg Hopkins (it took 15 months too get it back).
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    I will be getting myself some updates recording equipment for Christmas and will absolutely be doing a comparison between the two.

    The best way I can describe the difference in words is to say the 5b3 sounds smokey.
    It isn't quite as loud as the 5e3. It breaks up a little sooner. The low end isn't quite as intense. It's a little darker sounding but definitely in a good way. Less "high def", again, in a good way. That would be the smokey sound I mentioned. The mids are more forward in the 5b3. You normally think of the 5e3 as being a mids forward amp but the 5b3 is even more so.
    I've gigged with both amps. I've even brought them both out to a gig and switched between them. I ended up preferring the 5b3.
     
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    I look forward to seeing/hearing your comparison video, which I hope you post on the forum. Please feel free to post it in this thread as well. You are most welcome. Sounds like I need to check out the 5B3!
     
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    here is my snakeskin by vuejaday music 5e3 along with its partner 5e3 in blonde. also my 59 5f2a princeton. play music!

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    Interesting. I don't recall anyone here building a Tweed Royal, or a variation of it. I know that this is a broad question, but how do you like the different "models?" Do you have a sense of how true they are to the original ones?

    For those who've never read about the Tweed Royal, it's a 5E3 clone kit that, via switching, is supposed to replicate the circuits and/or basic tones of the 5F1 Champ, 5F2a Princeton, 5F10 Harvard, and 5E3 Deluxe. Click through to the link and there's an explanation of how this is accomplished.

    Edit: I see you've kinda answered this already.
     
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    In this picture, a '50 5A3 is sounding so badass with a P12Q in it, his big brother is peeking around the corner to see what's going on.
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    My Victoria 5112. Replaced the ceramic Legend with an Avatar Hellatone SA-40. Not a speaker for a high-watt amp, but just fine for 5 watts.

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    IIRC, the gm and internal resistance are pretty different from a 12ay7 as well. I don't remember what it worked out to exactly but I think it end up wanting to see a much smaller plate resistor, like 38k. Still, worth a try at Russian tube prices...
     
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    Nice! Ceramic to AlNiCo? How would you characterize the difference? Have any before and after clips?
     
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    I could only compare the 5F1 and 5E3 settings and found them very close to my originals. I say close because of different speakers, tubes and components and also the fact that specimens of same models will vary. I do not have any other original or clone tweed amps to compare to. But there is quite a variety of settings available. Especially with the variable NFB.

    I built my TR in a 5standard E3 chassis and cabinet. The real TR has a slightly larger chassis and cabinet. It was a little trying but I was able to put it and my add-ons into a standard chassis.
     
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