Led Zeppelin's "Stairway" Lawsuit Gets Trial Date

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by micpoc, Apr 13, 2016.

  1. micpoc

    micpoc Friend of Leo's

    Posts:
    3,381
    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2007
    Location:
    Louisiana
    The saga continues…

    Did Led Zeppelin Steal ‘Stairway to Heaven’? A Jury Will Decide
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/13/a...to-heaven-was-partly-stolen-lawsuit-says.html
     
  2. brookdalebill

    brookdalebill Tele Axpert Ad Free Member

    Age:
    62
    Posts:
    63,968
    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2009
    Location:
    Austin, Tx
    Good.
     
  3. PaulieBoy

    PaulieBoy Former Member

    Age:
    61
    Posts:
    283
    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2016
    Location:
    gone
    no.jpg
     
    TheletterJ and Jakedog like this.
  4. Tim Bowen

    Tim Bowen Poster Extraordinaire

    Age:
    58
    Posts:
    7,478
    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2003
    Location:
    Atlanta/Rome, Georgia, US
    There's no question about similarity. However, if I put any moral considerations aside and just look at it from a legal standpoint, I am confused. Confused about what legally constitutes "song writing" - yet again.

    When the subject comes up, as it does quite often, the consensus seems to be that 'song' is 50% melody, 50% lyric.

    The item in question here is a chord progression. Not only a chord progression, but a chord progression based on a public domain line cliche that has been around for ages.

    Are we making up the rules as we go along again?
     
  5. kelnet

    kelnet Telefied Ad Free Member

    Posts:
    25,993
    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2008
    Location:
    Port Moody, BC
  6. micpoc

    micpoc Friend of Leo's

    Posts:
    3,381
    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2007
    Location:
    Louisiana
  7. Chicago Matt

    Chicago Matt Friend of Leo's

    Age:
    70
    Posts:
    2,736
    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2014
    Location:
    Woodstock
    I just listened to Taurus. Sad to me if this is found to be a copyright infringement. Seems like a real stretch. No melody copied, no lyrics, just a chord progression that is used in many, many songs. Just seems to me that Zep is a convenient target with deep pockets. It will be interesting to see if they settle.
     
    blkpwdr and ralvarezguitar like this.
  8. Mjark

    Mjark Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

    Posts:
    12,441
    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2011
    Location:
    Annapolis, MD
    Yes they are. I'm doubtful a jury will do the right thing and I expect they'll try and keep musicians off the jury at voir dire. We should be the jury! The judge's ruling on the motion for summary judgement demonstrates he's clueless.
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2016
    waparker4 likes this.
  9. uriah1

    uriah1 Telefied Ad Free Member

    Posts:
    20,302
    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2011
    Location:
    Around
    I saw that. I love Spirit, but, that, was pushing it.

    I too, like to know how many measures, bars, constitute a theft. What about all the 3 note blues songs in the world.
    I saw one recently too, that was not clear at all.
     
    phfobric likes this.
  10. micpoc

    micpoc Friend of Leo's

    Posts:
    3,381
    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2007
    Location:
    Louisiana
    It will be REALLY interesting to see how these topics are explained to a jury.
     
  11. maxvintage

    maxvintage Friend of Leo's

    Age:
    60
    Posts:
    4,197
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2003
    Location:
    Arlington, VA
    Wow that's a stretch. Similarity, sure, but seems to me that copyright depends a lot of the particular judge, and judges often know nothing at all about music.
     
    phfobric likes this.
  12. Tonetele

    Tonetele Poster Extraordinaire

    Posts:
    6,321
    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Location:
    South Australia
    Heard about this a couple of years go . That and George Harrison.
    How many of us play in the key of Am/C?
    All that aside I think that band wants a cash payment- a big one.
    Listen to the Travelling Wilburys that D run has been used millions of times.

    George Harrison did the smart thing and bought the rights to "She's so Fine". Cost him less in the long run and I'm sure he subconsciously made a
    MINOR musical mistake.

    If I was a lawyer I'd settle out of court- far less than $550,000,000
    being asked for.

    Next thing we might hear about Jackson Browne and Glen Frey ( deceased)
    and "Take it Easy"!!!!! I hope, and believe not. Where does it all end?
     
    ralvarezguitar likes this.
  13. chesire

    chesire Tele-Afflicted Silver Supporter

    Posts:
    1,743
    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2010
    Location:
    The Ol' Pueblo
    Does anyone remember laughter?
     
    songtalk, brookdalebill and micpoc like this.
  14. Tonetele

    Tonetele Poster Extraordinaire

    Posts:
    6,321
    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Location:
    South Australia
    P.S . Saw Jimmy Page and Led Zep in the 70s. Page is a really sloppy guitarist live IMHO. Don Felder sh...s all over him on the same guitar.
     
  15. kLyon

    kLyon Tele-Meister

    Posts:
    396
    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2011
    Location:
    US
    Did Sting ever get sued because the bridge of "Every Breath You Take" is note for note the same as "Help Me Make it Through the Night?"
    THAT would make sense. This one doesn't. And I love Spirit.
     
  16. Mjark

    Mjark Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

    Posts:
    12,441
    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2011
    Location:
    Annapolis, MD
    That's what they're hoping to do. Getting it before a pending jury puts more pressure to settle on the defendants.
     
  17. Unpossible

    Unpossible TDPRI Member

    Posts:
    65
    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2015
    Location:
    Cal
    Mr Page is a notorious plagiarist.
    do a google search.
    dazed and confused came after seeing the original live in ny then buying his record the next day.
    he lifted that acoustic piece on the first album note for note.
    i'm not going to even get into all the blues guys they blatently ripped off. Not that were the only ones.
    But the kicker for me was that he was riding around in a bus with randy california and mr california
    PLAYED THE PIECE FOR HIM.
    And yes, i realize all music is derivative and inspired by others, and there are no new notes, etc.
    but Yeesh.
    And yes, they did create something compelling out of all the stolen stuff they put together.
    I guess it's the original mash up.
     
  18. teletimetx

    teletimetx Doctor of Teleocity

    Posts:
    10,357
    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2011
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    ...just wondering, in a purely rhetorical way, if Neil Young is considering buying the rights to "If I Had Possession Over Judgment Day". The similarities in that song to "Are You Ready for the Country" wouldn't take long for even a judge or a jury to recognize. I'm guessing this has been commented on here before...
     
  19. tery

    tery Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

    Posts:
    8,519
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2012
    Location:
    Tennessee
    It seems like this lawsuit should have came up about 45 years ago ? . . . . there's only so many cords in the world anyway .
     
    phfobric and ralvarezguitar like this.
  20. kidmeatball

    kidmeatball Tele-Meister

    Posts:
    202
    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2016
    Location:
    Delta, BC
    One of the issues preventing the suit was a statute of limitations. Because the song was remastered in 2014, the suit can proceed. Though, now that I think of it, the suit should be against the revenue generated by the new version, not for revenue from the preceding 38 years.
     
    ralvarezguitar and tery like this.
IMPORTANT: Treat everyone here with respect, no matter how difficult!
No sex, drug, political, religion or hate discussion permitted here.


  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.