Kurt Cobain's Acoustic Guitar - Starts at $1m

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  1. EspyHop

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    There’s no such thing as unplugged recorded music. The microphones are plugged into something...Usually mixing boards with delays, modulation, and whatnot.
     
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    I disagree. I’ll leave it at that.
     
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    I am not aware of what behavior you are referring to.
     
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    Except for the entire acoustic era prior to 1925, and those who still record like that today.
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    There are still things coloring the sound, like the microphone and room dynamics.
     
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    it’s a question of degree I suppose, especially on stage. Just MO, not forcing it on anybody.
     
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    You know something, I may be second guessing what he was like as a person, off stage. If I am, I stand corrected.
     
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    Off stage, as I said to Sloppychops, I may have formed a wrong image. On stage, said it many times, as soon as a band wantonly destroy equipment I lose interest.
     
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    Geez. Do we really need to debate this?

    There’s a far difference between reproducing the sound of an acoustic instrument for recording and amplification, and merely capturing vibrations. The former is the goal of a microphone. The latter is a pickup. Mics transfer acoustical energy. Pickups transfer mechanical energy. That a mic colors the sound is beside the point.

    Electric guitars have pickups. Even hollow and semi-hollow ones. But the solid body guitar was invented for a reason. Amplifying acoustic guitars by micing is difficult and problem-prone, particularly when adding other non-stringed instruments. Pickups work far better for this. However, pickups on acoustic guitars do not reproduce the acoustic sounds.

    Acoustic guitars sound like acoustic guitars, acoustically. Sure, you can change the signal all you want at the board. But the fundamental sound of an acoustic guitar can only be captured by a microphone. The signal from a pickup can be altered and eq’ed to model acoustic sounds. Always poorly, IMO. I ask what’s the point in an “unplugged” acoustic guitar performance if the actual acoustic sound is not the goal?

    Admittedly, most guitarists probably don’t care as much as I do about the difference. But that in no way changes the physical reality of the difference.
     
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    Yeah, it bothers me to see decent guitars destroyed, too.
     
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    I didn't know that guitar came from the factory that way. I think it actually sounds pretty cool:

     
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    I'm only aware of Cobain doing the normal punk rock thing onstage. As far as I can tell, lots of other rock musicianshave gone way past his behavior.
     
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    Possibly, probably, but if that’s normal punk rock then I’ve missed a lot. It’s just the smashing good gear that really p****s me off, always has. Others think the same, others don’t, it’s what makes life interesting.
     
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    Julien's has a good writer:

    Cobain was known for smashing guitars on stage and wreaking havoc with instruments used by the band in their live performances. In contrast, after driving the last song of their MTV Unplugged performance with a primal howling, Cobain held his Martin D-18E guitar with reverence. Ultimately, he placed the guitar carefully back on its stand - almost as a stand-in for himself - and left it center stage as he walked away.

    LOL. "[You're buying his spirit]"


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    Yeah, he did some of that but wasn't really known for it, like Townsend, etc. In high school I remember a lot of the punks and mods who hated rock, but liked The Who..... or at least walked around in overcoats with giant "The Who" emblems on them. Perhaps like teens today walking around in Hendrix shirts not being able to name a single song.

    Oh, Hendrix....another guy known for famously destroying an instrument. Heck, even Garth Brooks did this. I think he actually studied marketing or something like that before becoming a musician and knew exactly how to take country music into an arena rock level.
     
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    I'm sure I Wouldn't for the guitar it's self... But as investment if I had the money... That would be a different story:)
     
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    I bet Garth would have got where he is on talent alone without ever smashing a guitar, so, probably, would most of tge others who do it. A good musician shouldn’t have to rely on the element who just go along to see the gear destroyed at the end. Talent will out.
     
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    True, but keep in mind music is above all else, a business. People pay to see a show, and the more exciting the better. In concerts the visuals are as important as the music. I've seen Pink Floyd three times, and they are one boring bunch to watch. However, they know the importance of putting on a show, which is why they have a trillion watts of lasers, etc., huge disco ball, enormous stage and everything else. Without those things, their live shows would absolutely suck.
     
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    All true, just don’t see wrecking the stage as entertaining.
     
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    I get that. Some people do, though. When appropriate.....if The Carpenters did it that would be something!!!
     
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