....and no soundman. We play some small bars using a very decent powered mixer that, with a push of a button, splits into both a PA and monitor amp. We use 2 speakers on sticks for the mains and another 2 on sticks as sidewash monitors as we have 4 vocalists. Until recently, we've only run vocals and sax through the PA and it's worked great for us . Guitar, bass and keys all had our own stage amps. However, there's always been a push to fold the keys into the PA but without a soundman, I don't feel comfortable. I've suggested tilting the amp back to get the sound over us rather than having it blocked by our backsides. A couple of gigs ago, we played a venue where we had to set up in a very confined area. We decided to put the PA behind us and forego the monitors and keyboard amp. The results were mixed as I found I couldn't hear the vocals as the keys seemed to be drowning them out and everything sounded a bit muddy to me. However, the people loved us and so it couldn't have been bad. The last gig we did, the keyboard amp decided to crap out and so we had to put the keys thru the mains and through the vocal monitors for stage volume. So we had to rely on friends to tell us if the balance was okay. The problem is that we won't always have friends out there and, again, I found the keys overpowering the vocals in the monitors. However, the people seemed to like it although one of my friends told me that in one song he heard nothing but keys and drums. So we had a band meeting a little while ago and this topic came up. There was a discussion about buying a new PA but I said that wouldn't make a difference as we still have no soundman and for the few gigs we do, it would be a complete waste of money. Also, someone told our keyboard player about a personal in ear monitor system but that won't work as we need to hear him on stage. We have a gig coming up in a couple of weeks and I'm not sure if he plans on using his amp or not or if he's even had it fixed. So my question is this....does anyone else here run their keys through the mains and vocal monitors or does your keyboard player have his own keyboard amp/monitor for stage volume? If he uses his own amp, do you fold him thru the PA too? Sorry about the long winded post.