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  1. raysachs

    raysachs Friend of Leo's

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    I’m about 7 months into a keto diet. I wasn’t grossly overweight, but I lost about 30 pounds pretty quickly, added about 5 of them back, and have stabilized there. My docs all like my various numbers a lot better since I’m on it. I feel a lot better. About the only thing it hasn’t improved is my asthma related problems, which greatly limit my exercise (I used to bicycle 4000-6000 miles per year - now if I walk more than a couple miles I pay for it for a few days of coughing and clearing my throat) and which caused me to gain the weight I’ve now mostly lost.

    So exercise, once a huge part of my life, isn’t anymore. I miss it. I don’t miss carbs though - I did for the first several days, intensely. I ate em, I craved em, I ate more of them, rinse and repeat. Now I have some berries with cottage cheese for breakfast (except for the couple times a week I do have bacon and eggs), some nuts and greens through the day, a small amount of dark chocolate after dinner, and that’s pretty much it for carbs. Lotta fat and protein, good amount of green veggies. I avoid high sugar fruits (most fruit) and veggies (corn, carrots, etc). I eat a lot of cheese And butter but avoid milk and cream type stuff.

    I’ve had a few cheat days over the months. Some of them have put my gut in an uproar, some haven’t. None of them have caused me to “relapse” to carbs. People can criticize it if they want to, but it’s doing me a lot of good and no harm so far...

    -Ray
     
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  2. musicalmartin

    musicalmartin Poster Extraordinaire

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    My low carb/keto course includes a strict exercise routine .Its no fad.We are dying from cake bun and biscuit overdose .Its as deady as heroin and more addictive .I saw this when I worked in store for evenings ,the hefties would stock up on ready meals ,cakes,pies ,choccys and watch TV with their hefty friends .Death by carbs.Seen it in action .
     
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    I have a friend who's 60 years old who has struggled with trying to lose weight her whole life. Keto was the one thing that worked for her. I ordinarily sneer at extreme diets, but there's no arguing with her results.
     
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    I always thought people stopping eating fat when they were fat was like telling a cow to not drink milk because it has produced milk

    I used to eat loads of fat and was skinny as a rake with fantastic blood results

    Became a parent and was stuck home all time snacking on sugar out of exhaustion: now weigh 13.5 stone and 5 foot 10

    (A stone is 14 lb, for those who don't know silly imperial measurements)
     
  5. imwjl

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    I understand all the concepts. It does work for some, but having been a fat kid and then a period with GI, endocrine and pancreases issues I learned you want a sustainable and well balanced diet and life style.

    The cut carbohydrates and keto trends are old enough where I've already seen people not able to sustain it.

    I'm 13 years into sustaining a number of better and more moderate or balanced ways. The beginning and parts plus just returned included regular checkups and bloodwork. It could or would not be 13 years at it if it was not a common sense balanced diet and regular activity.

    My health care specialists were correct about no fads or extremes if you want to sustain your well being over time and perform your best.
     
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    Fat has approximately 4000 calories per pound and no nutritional value, food for thought.
     
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    That statement is a little over simplified, and misleading. A quick search found this:
    https://www.myfooddiary.com/nutrients/fat
     
  8. Fiesta Red

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    If a person subjects themself to an extreme diet, they should expect extreme results.

    I didn’t say “extremely positive”.

    A lot of people have successfully lost weight on this diet, but we don’t know the long-term effects on the body (what will happen in 5/10/15 years?) and long-term success (will they keep the weight off for 5/10/15 years?).

    I’ll admit I could stand to lose 10 pounds, but it would be wiser for me to just eat smaller portions of my (already) balanced diet and exercise a bit more regularly...the latter is harder for me, because I truly have little or no time to myself, and when I do, I sure don’t think, “I’m gonna go work out!”

    I think the same would be true of most people trying keto, too.
     
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    A simplified statement yes,,, but, putting oil on your food to make it healthier is a joke.

    Keto style diets work but, may not be healthy for all. I lost over 60 lbs doing Keto, but, it wrecked my triglyceride levels. I have been eating a whole food plant based diet for a year and have lost an additional 60 lbs and over the course of a year have just about heart attack proofed myself. I am now off of my BP meds and oxygen.
     
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    In the US the FDA recognizes sugar as a drug.
    Is it the same in the UK? I assume you have an admin that regulates food & drugs etc.

    I notice what folks buy at the store and will point out that body size isn't 100% related to poor diet.
    There are thin folk eating primarily prepared food here, and it seems like a portion of our population lives entirely on prepared food as opposed to cooking from scratch. I can't relate to that but ad campaigns are relentless and it seems family activities that include the soccer mom keeping the kids busy so they'll stay off drugs combines with two working parents in order to afford a home maybe makes cooking from scratch hard to fit in with such a busy life.

    Now we have uber eats so folks hardly even have to walk further than the front door to get full of industrial prepared food.
    It is indeed dangerous and we've seen frying in "bad fats" made illegal but I'm not sure we can regulate away food addictions.

    Not even sure we can regulate away smartphone addiction but we're trying!
    New Nissan TV commercial shows everybody driving while texting and the car alerting them before each "kill" so they can avoid it and move on to the next potential victim who's also hooked on smartphone dope...

    Ahhh, our advanced society.
     
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    I asked my doctor-- what is better for my cholesterol?

    A) maintaining my current weight of 220lbs (I'm 6'1")

    B) eating steaks/cheese/dairy all the time and losing 20 pounds.

    He was convinced (B) was actually better for lowering my cholesterol.

    I tried the Keto diet once and easily dropped weight. But I just got kind of tired eating like that. I like eating a lot of fruit
     
  12. imwjl

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    I've needed the fresh fruits and vegetables to not just improve the bloodwork results but to feel good including feel sharp in the brain. Even more important is the well balanced diet with lots of fresh and whole foods has been the best tool to maintain considerably better health 13-14 years now.

    If I'm tired and sleep deprived the high protein and fat food do seem good.

    Another twist is I'm now 3 years into monitoring same activities with tech wearables settling on Apple Watch but other devices do the same. The well balanced diet including the carbohydrates contribute to performance. I mean actually quantifying how the same bike ride, run, hike or swim go.

    After more meat and fat my cholesterol went up again. Not much time back at the well rounded diet and no cheats on exercise reversed it.

    Keto and other ways are very likely a good way to kick start or spark change but the best is sustaining better health. I'm not alone with common sense and well rounded habits contributing to that.
     
  13. MattyK-USA

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    There are those that will tell you that the Sugar industry proposed that so-called link.

    Think there's a conspiracy theory involved? Take a look at the nutrition panel on ANYTHING.

    You will find ONLY ONE THING that does not have a Daily Recommended Value. Sugar. Not on anything. That... "agreement" was built into the legislation.

    Not saying that it's big business that's responsible, but it's big business that's responsible. :)
     
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    Ask your doctor how much schooling in nutrition he received in college...
     
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    Better yet, ask your Nutritionist...
     
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    When I read the opinion of someone who lost 60 lbs, then lost 60 lbs. again, I'm inclined not to read much more. I'm happy for grossly obese folks that lose weight down to a healthy number, but I'm not really confident in their advise for normal eating recommendations.

    I've never been grossly obese but have definitely experienced having to buy bigger pants...that's the clue that you need to change something. Anyone that thinks that sugar is harmless is kidding themselves. I suppose the full "keto" experience for rapid weight loss is pretty regimented to maintain ketosis but I find that consuming the proteins like meat, cheese and fish but limiting breads and carbs is not impossible to maintain, and whether or not I maintain "keto", I maintain my weight.

    Once upon a time we were beings that were competing with other animals for what ever we could find...and most of what we found was dead meat. The fatter the better...and what ever veggies and fruits we'd discovered later on. We need it all...we just don't need processed sugar.
     
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    I completely agree with this - we don't need it at all. Our 2020 world is filled with opportunities to make choices that can lead to later regrets - sugar is one of the most pervasive, it seems to be in so many of the packaged and processed foods that are part of most of our lives -

    When looking at a keto lifestyle encouraged me to take an unflinching look at the nutrition labels on anything that I was considering consuming, I was stunned. I went through my pantry and refrigerator reading labels and debating what to keep and what to take out of my home...and was faced with the realization that I had been making poor, uninformed, and blind choices...but worse, I had been living in denial, thinking that a little here and a little there wouldn't hurt much. My little here and little there were killing me...a little here, and a little there.

    My experience has been that if I cut out ALL processed sugar, in a few days I don't crave it at all ~ but the minute that I allow myself to partake, even just a little, I crave it more and more, and it can really easily get out of hand. The keto process made me hyper-aware of my own actions and consequences - that part I choose to practice and refine. My current process is called "dirty keto", which for me is sustainable and pleasant. I love the results, and don't feel deprived.
     
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    Yep...I guess "dirty keto" is a good name for it!:)
     
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    Just for the record, I didn't yoyo... Feb 2017 I topped out at 327. I am now down to about 185. From 1980ish until 2013 I weighed anywhere from 160 -165...
     
  20. reckless toboggan

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    Actually, we descended from apes, so we started with plants, fruits, leaves, flowers, roots, tubers, seeds, etc. long before meat was on the menu.

    And the few times it was were due primarily to opportunistic scavenging.

    We began scavenging meat long before we started hunting with tools and weapons.

    Most of what we found and ate was not dead meat. Most research puts it at between 5 and 15 percent of the diet, with more research skewing to the lower end of the range. Certainly not 66% or even 51% which would qualify as "most". Most (85 to 95 percent) of the diet was gathering leaves, fruits, seeds, vegetables, roots, tubers, etc.

    The hunting/meat part of the diet was, for the most part, a much less frequent occurrence and than the gathering part of the leaves, fruits, seeds, vegetables, roots, tubers, etc.

    There are biology and evolutionary courses that teach and demonstrate the science of all this. My wife conducted her PhD, and is a professor and research scientist, on this and other biology and ecology subjects.
     
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