Keith Richards Low E

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  1. Wayne Alexander

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    When I tune to open G, I leave the low E string on, but tune it up to G (except on the rare song that uses the low D), so there are two low G strings. Sounds fine for Stones songs.
     
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  2. SixStringSlinger

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    While Keith's playing is not as "sloppy" as it is sometimes characterized, leaving out the low string probably helps his pick hand swing more freely and focus on the groove rather than whether or not he's hitting particular strings, all without worrying about hitting that low string. Which, if tuned to D, probably wouldn't sound fatally wrong or anything. But he obviously wants the lowest string to be the root.
     
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  3. regularslinky

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    When I play Stones tunes with the band (Honky Tonk, Brown Sugar) I just tune the A down to G, mute the low E and keep the high E out of chords. It gets you most of the way there.
     
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    Is Keef's kitchen junk drawer full of .046 Slinky's?
     
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  5. Flakey

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    I tune in in unison to the A string that is tune to G
     
  6. BigDaddyLH

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    Brushy One String, Dat you?

     
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  7. sonny wolf

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    It helps to remove it because a lot of Keith's style is how he uses his right strumming hand.He likes to swing his arm into the strumming strokes so the low E string could get in the way and get hit accidentally.With it removed he can zoom in from the top and strum directly at the 5th string and hit it correctly with full swing instead of comprimising his attack to avoid hitting the low E.It's all about getting the right flow.But a lot of people assume he only plays 5 string open G...he plays plenty of 6 string too in standard tuning. .
     
  8. thxphotog

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    Nope! He has his own custom Ernie Ball packs of 11-42s.
     
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  9. dkmw

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    FWIW I buy a set of 9-46 and a plain 18. I give away the .09, move everything over while subbing in the plain 18.

    So I end up with a 46 as the low (5th, tuned to G) up to 11 on the first string.
     
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  10. Obsessed

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    Pretty easy to mute the E string tuned to D with either your palm or your barring index finger. If you get into any finger picking open G, you are gonna want that string for your thumb to add some nice bassline stuff.
     
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  11. thesjkexperienc

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    It is slightly easier to just use 5 especially if you use the gauges Keef uses. You can still drop that low E to D and it works about the same. I built my own Micawber so I’m lucky to have a dedicated 5 string.
     
  12. gobi_grey

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    Sometimes I leave it on and just mute it but that can leave unwanted harmonics here and there. I do have an Esquire dedicated to 5 string open g.
     
  13. doc w

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    you could always drop the 6th string to Eb for a combo Keef/Jimi/Stevie tuning. ;)
     
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    Never got it, might be naive but why not just tune I same as the top E?
     
  15. Guitarteach

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    I do those numbers by simply dropping the A a tone to a G. Can drop a stones number in in about 3 seconds of tuning.

    I play all the chords stuff on the middle 4 strings and keep the rest of the strings inc. the high E in standard tuning so it’s straightforward for solos. Just mute/ignore the low E and high E when doing the rhythm stuff.

    I could tune the low E to a D or G but I never bother.

    Quick, dirty and works. Audience would never know.

    Depends how good your muting skills are at the end of the day. It’s one way to develop them.
     
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  16. rangercaster

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    Keef has stated that he removes the low E because he never uses it and it just gets in the way ...
     
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    You wont be as free to bash it keith style if you leave it on imo. When you have that string you allways have to worry about muting it or not hitting it, and changes the feel of the playing. That's also why so many stones tracks are bright and crisp, instead of muddy sounding. There isnt a droning low e string on it.
     
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  18. Chicago Matt

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    Yeah, probably better off removing it if you approach strumming like this :):

    keef.jpg
     
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  19. SPUDCASTER

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    ^^This^^

    Been doing this for a long time. You beat me to it Wayne.

    Surprised that Ernie Ball doesn't make a "Keef" set. And charge another couple of bucks more for it.

    Or do they?:twisted:
     
  20. dkmw

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    Yeah, we should chip in and get this guy some lessons so he can correct his bad habits and get that other string back on there. While we’re at it, he needs new clothes too. And maybe someday he can afford new guitars and not have to play those old beat-up ones.
     
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