Keep the Ping "Waverlys" or switch to Grover Rotomatics?

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  1. Deaf Eddie

    Deaf Eddie Friend of Leo's Silver Supporter

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    My Eastman E1D came with the "appearance correct" Ping "Waverly" style tuners. They seem to work just fine.

    On my electrics, I almost always swap out the Klusons or whatever for the Rotomatics. More mass at the headstock for better tone and sustain - anyway, that's the conventional wisdom I grew up with. I have the "bean" style buttons on most of mine.

    But I don't have any real experience with acoustics. Does the same idea hold true?

    The tuning ratios are the same, so nothing gained or lost there...

    You guys steered me into the right guitar, now tell me if there's any benefit - or loss - with a change of the tuners.


    These or them?

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    Thanks!
     
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    My two cents. Adding metal to an acoustic instrument seems counter-intuitive to me. My opinion generally has come around to the lighter the machines the woodier the tone, so I prefer Strats, Teles, ES 3__s, Jazz boxes, and acoustic guitars have the least metal possible, so Klusons on most of my guitars. I do have old Imperials on one jazzer and Rotomatics on a couple of my LPs. (I'm not a pedal or high gain guy BTW)
     
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  3. Deaf Eddie

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    Who remembers the Fat Finger?
     
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    I remember them and all of the more is better hotter louder more sustain mentality of '70s guitar modifications. I did horrible things to a couple of nice old vintage instruments before I decided that I wasn't making them more musical to my ears.
     
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    I think you already answered your own question.

    Those Waverly style tuners look very nice, and I don't think there's any sonic benefit from switching tuners.
     
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  6. Charlie Bernstein

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    My understanding is that mass sucks tone. The less weight the better.

    I'd keep the open-back tuners. These days, they're generally considered state-of-the-art. Lots of people are switching from closed to open. Luthiers love them.
     
  7. asatfan

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    My "new to me" Martin, and my Larrivee both have open back tuners and I really like them better than the Rotomatics. Maybe they just look better but they feel precise and smooth.
     
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    I’d keep the original tuners.

    I remember it, and the Fat Head.
    I think they were a Groove Tubes/Aspen Pittman invention.
     
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  9. Deaf Eddie

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    Okie dokie, the Pings stay.
     
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    Grover makes 18:1 open back Rotomatics.


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  11. Texicaster

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    Waverly's are about the finest tuners you can get! Keep 'em right where they are!

    It seems better quality acoustic guitars have better tone with less head stock mass. I recall in the 80's big thick brass plates guys would put on the head stocks but you never see that any more.
     
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    Does it stay in tune? If so, keep the tuners that are on it.
     
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