Just bought a used fender Tone Master-then I saw Rob Mc Nights review

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I wanted to like mine (blonde TM Twin). I NEEDED to like mine, you could even say. I needed big Fender sound (and, to a lesser extent, the look) as the vintage blonde Showman I'd been using was no longer available to me. Needless to say a blackface and a brownface are different to begin with but the TM stumbled out of the gate and eventually had to be put down.

Attenuated, it was the old covered-with-a-blanket phenomenon. Doesn't necessarily make sense in a purely digital context but there it was. So I opened 'er up to the full 85W and kept that volume low. At least the articulation improved.

I took it to a rehearsal. Musicians coo over a new amp the way ladies coo over a baby. As the evening progressed, the eyebrows in the room including my own began to rise and not in a good way. Lots of sidelong glances.

Then we had a gig. Outdoors. Nightmare. The bugaboo with so many digital gewgaws: it disappeared in a live mix with frequencies flying and bouncing around. We fiddled with the volume and attenuation. We fiddled with EQ. About halfway through the set I thought the bass player might smack me in the mush with his headstock. Hey, I just dropped $1K trying to help with the backline!

I had a perfectly good '65 Deluxe reissue sitting at home and didn't think to bring it. The common worry is that a Deluxe will run out of clean headroom but the stories are legion of Deluxes holding their own against drums, bass and general stage cacaphony. A little bit of breakup from a Deluxe sounds heavenly anyway even for 'clean' parts.

The next week, it was the Deluxe. Necessity. Desperation. And a bit of anger and buyer's remorse. As I stared across the stage at the other guitarist and his vintage blackface Concert I feared being hopelessly overmatched. Many times in rehearsals I had been 10 ft from that jet engine. But...we did our own sound and got good levels and balance, thank you very much. In the end, I barely touched 4 on the Deluxe volume and my fears were moot. I received smiles instead of scowls, after-gig beers instead of beration.

I've carried plenty of heavy gear - not just amps - up plenty of ramps, staircases etc. It ain't fun even without physical limitations. The promise of the Fender sound and the classic Fender look in a lightweight package are an enticing combination. 'We eat with our eyes,' an old boss in the seafood business once said. My response now might be 'yes, we do but with music gear eventually the ears take over.'

Like the confused, frustrated construction worker who found the singing, dancing Michigan J. Frog in the Warner Bros cartoon and thought he'd found the shortcut to showbiz success, I admitted defeat and quietly sold the TM Twin on.

Horses for courses and all that. To the satisfied TM users, I quote Charlie (Fred Savage)'s friend in 'Vice Versa': 'Hey if you guys are interfacing, that's cool.'
 

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Well the amp finally arrived. Plugged in the Tele (MiM) and wow! Natural overdrive when pushed, nice cleans. Really loud, and the attenuation at 5watt through to 0.1 watt is so much fun. Sounds bloody good to me. Feel like getting a better tele now :) as it did show up the 'real' sound of my stock pickups, sounds so much so different from the Yamaha THR and other smaller amps I had been playing it through-more sense of presence and the pickups tone limitations - not drastic though.
Ran my old ME50 into it-OD what you expect-the big Muff emulation very Black Keys (as I like it). Modulation, delay etc cosmic.

I have a Greco LP that I upgraded with 50's wiring and put a pair of Seth Lovers into it (the original wiring was a disaster and the I got a bit ripped off as the Maxons were removed before I got it). I've got it up for sale as it was too full on, no sparkle or clean could be gotten from it (had posted my concern about it in TDPRI).
Put it through this amp and its another guitar! Can roll back to get that nice chimey sound and push the volume for great overdrive. In fact its now a keeper, and its not for sale any more. My mates were keen that I keep it and suggested very clearly to wait untill I oput it through this amp before I let it go-glad I did.

My mate gigged with his TM last weekend and he couldn't be happier.

At the end of the day, this amp is doing what I was hoping it would do, which is to bring out the best of my guitars and it has.
I ran my Ovation (acoustic) through it as well, in the first non reverb section. Not bad at all.
Re longevity-its all how you look after it and the luck of the draw. The ME 50 is old, my guitars are old, the hi fi I still use from the 70-80's is still going strong, my Nikon and Pentax DSLR's which have been extensively used are still making great pictures-so no worries for me.
I suppose Rob McNight has his opinions, but reading all of these replies, he is only one person trying to make some sort of a living.
 
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Well the amp finally arrived. Plugged in the Tele (MiM) and wow! Natural overdrive when pushed, nice cleans. Really loud, and the attenuation at 5watt through to 0.1 watt is so much fun. Sounds bloody good to me. Feel like getting a better tele now :) as it did show up the 'real' sound of my stock pickups, sounds so much so different from the Yamaha THR and other smaller amps I had been playing it through-more sense of presence and the pickups tone limitations - not drastic though.
Ran my old ME50 into it-OD what you expect-the big Muff emulation very Black Keys (as I like it). Modulation, delay etc cosmic.

I have a Greco LP that I upgraded with 50's wiring and put a pair of Seth Lovers into it (the original wiring was a disaster and the I got a bit ripped off as the Maxons were removed before I got it). I've got it up for sale as it was too full on, no sparkle or clean could be gotten from it (had posted my concern about it in TDPRI).
Put it through this amp and its another guitar! Can roll back to get that nice chimey sound and push the volume for great overdrive. In fact its now a keeper, and its not for sale any more. My mates were keen that I keep it and suggested very clearly to wait untill I oput it through this amp before I let it go-glad I did.

My mate gigged with his TM last weekend and he couldn't be happier.

At the end of the day, this amp is doing what I was hoping it would do, which is to bring out the best of my guitars and it has.
I ran my Ovation (acoustic) through it as well, in the first non reverb section. Not bad at all.
Re longevity-its all how you look after it and the luck of the draw. The ME 50 is old, my guitars are old, the hi fi I still use from the 70-80's is still going strong, my Nikon and Pentax DSLR's which have been extensively used are still making great pictures-so no worries for me.
I suppose Rob McNight has his opinions, but reading all of these replies, he is only one person trying to make some sort of a living.
I told you so. ;)

Seriously….I’m very glad that you’re enjoying it….it’s a very nice amp.
 

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I wanted to like mine (blonde TM Twin). I NEEDED to like mine, you could even say. I needed big Fender sound (and, to a lesser extent, the look) as the vintage blonde Showman I'd been using was no longer available to me. Needless to say a blackface and a brownface are different to begin with but the TM stumbled out of the gate and eventually had to be put down.

Attenuated, it was the old covered-with-a-blanket phenomenon. Doesn't necessarily make sense in a purely digital context but there it was. So I opened 'er up to the full 85W and kept that volume low. At least the articulation improved.

I took it to a rehearsal. Musicians coo over a new amp the way ladies coo over a baby. As the evening progressed, the eyebrows in the room including my own began to rise and not in a good way. Lots of sidelong glances.

Then we had a gig. Outdoors. Nightmare. The bugaboo with so many digital gewgaws: it disappeared in a live mix with frequencies flying and bouncing around. We fiddled with the volume and attenuation. We fiddled with EQ. About halfway through the set I thought the bass player might smack me in the mush with his headstock. Hey, I just dropped $1K trying to help with the backline!

I had a perfectly good '65 Deluxe reissue sitting at home and didn't think to bring it. The common worry is that a Deluxe will run out of clean headroom but the stories are legion of Deluxes holding their own against drums, bass and general stage cacaphony. A little bit of breakup from a Deluxe sounds heavenly anyway even for 'clean' parts.

The next week, it was the Deluxe. Necessity. Desperation. And a bit of anger and buyer's remorse. As I stared across the stage at the other guitarist and his vintage blackface Concert I feared being hopelessly overmatched. Many times in rehearsals I had been 10 ft from that jet engine. But...we did our own sound and got good levels and balance, thank you very much. In the end, I barely touched 4 on the Deluxe volume and my fears were moot. I received smiles instead of scowls, after-gig beers instead of beration.

I've carried plenty of heavy gear - not just amps - up plenty of ramps, staircases etc. It ain't fun even without physical limitations. The promise of the Fender sound and the classic Fender look in a lightweight package are an enticing combination. 'We eat with our eyes,' an old boss in the seafood business once said. My response now might be 'yes, we do but with music gear eventually the ears take over.'

Like the confused, frustrated construction worker who found the singing, dancing Michigan J. Frog in the Warner Bros cartoon and thought he'd found the shortcut to showbiz success, I admitted defeat and quietly sold the TM Twin on.

Horses for courses and all that. To the satisfied TM users, I quote Charlie (Fred Savage)'s friend in 'Vice Versa': 'Hey if you guys are interfacing, that's cool.'
Just my two cents, but I’ve been playing a Deluxe Reverb Reissue since they were released and I’ve never had. Problem with too little volume, except with one drummer who plays way too loud (I no longer play with him and I know many others who won’t). If a Deluxe won’t keep up, you’re too loud.
 

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I heard one at a local GC one day and I thought that they sounded pretty good. I really like the idea of these, but I am also afraid like anything in gear world that somehow, they will lose their mojo with the public and become the next bashing trend. I already have a Deluxe Reverb RI and I am happy with it but would be interested in perhaps a Super or Twin Reverb version. We will see.
 

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I had a perfectly good '65 Deluxe reissue sitting at home and didn't think to bring it. The common worry is that a Deluxe will run out of clean headroom but the stories are legion of Deluxes holding their own against drums, bass and general stage cacaphony. A little bit of breakup from a Deluxe sounds heavenly anyway even for 'clean' parts.
I solved that problem by installing a Weber 12F150 (50 watt) speaker. Plenty of clean headroom and a booster pedal for a little bit of breakup.
 

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Yep,…you pick your poison and cast your lot. Myself,…I’ll stick with tube amps I can repair when they need repaired. I don’t want an amp that “almost sounds like a tube amp”, or meatless meat, or butter less butter. Just give me real beer, real meat, real butter, real chocolate, and real tube amps.
Cool. But the thing is, tube amps need repair WAYYYY less than than internet forums would try to have us believe. I've gigged for decades with tube amps. Friends of mine have gigged for decades with tube amps. Only once did one of my amps need a legitimate repair (which ironically was related to a tube taking out a resistor) and my friends experiences have been the same.

The tube amp repairability thing is way overblown on these forums in my opinion. Your opinion and your needs are no less legitimate than mine. But for some reason there's a lot of worry and concern about amps breaking, and that same rationale doesn't seem to apply to the loads of other music gear we and our bands all use week after week, month after month, and year after year.
 

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Cool. But the thing is, tube amps need repair WAYYYY less than than internet forums would try to have us believe. I've gigged for decades with tube amps. Friends of mine have gigged for decades with tube amps. Only once did one of my amps need a legitimate repair (which ironically was related to a tube taking out a resistor) and my friends experiences have been the same.

The tube amp repairability thing is way overblown on these forums in my opinion. Your opinion and your needs are no less legitimate than mine. But for some reason there's a lot of worry and concern about amps breaking, and that same rationale doesn't seem to apply to the loads of other music gear we and our bands all use week after week, month after month, and year after year.
I'm glad you've been so fortunate. I'm an old fart with lots of guitar and stereo tube amplification. I have 3 hifi stereo tube amps and about 8-9 guitar tube amps. They have all required minor repairs like new tubes and an occasional screen resistor and new electrolytics about every 20 years. My 2019 Fender DR RI has already required all new preamp tubes,...now its better than new. My 2021 Boyuu MT88 just popped a screen resistor a couple weeks ago when one of the KT88s expired. My 1960 Fender Harvard needs another recap/rebuild,...that'll be @ the 4th time since my uncle bought it new in 1960,...almost 63 years ago. Tube gear requires minor maintenance to keep the gremlins at bay. In many ways it's like owning a car or truck,...if you keep up with the fluids you should be good,...neglect the oil changes and you'll be shopping for a rebuilt engine or buying another vehicle.
 

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I have a 68 silverface twin in my living room - bought it new that year but too heavy so recently picked-up a Champion 40 - 12 inch spkr.

But them side by side and never liked SS amps but it weighs about 20 lbs and can hardly tell the difference.

Sounds just like the old twin, did a club gig last week, plenty of volume & headroom. No complaints here...
 

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Not sure if it still holds true. The front line at the Opry was the TM DLX.

The players I heard sounded pretty good.
I can vouch for that and even have a photo to prove it.

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The failure rate on the Tone Master amps is extremely low, even when compared to the equivalent tube amp.
And just like our tube amps, they are serviceable by any authorized service center.
And if you purchased used, or are outside the warranty period, an authorized service center will still repair a Tone Master amp for a minimal fee...just like an equivalent tube amp.

We believe in Tone Masters and we stand behind them.
 

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The failure rate on the Tone Master amps is extremely low, even when compared to the equivalent tube amp.
And just like our tube amps, they are serviceable by any authorized service center.
And if you purchased used, or are outside the warranty period, an authorized service center will still repair a Tone Master amp for a minimal fee...just like an equivalent tube amp.

We believe in Tone Masters and we stand behind them.
And there you have it…right from the horses’ mouth.

Thank you very much for that. 👍

BTW…I love my TMDR and TMPR!
 

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Cool. But the thing is, tube amps need repair WAYYYY less than than internet forums would try to have us believe. I've gigged for decades with tube amps. Friends of mine have gigged for decades with tube amps. Only once did one of my amps need a legitimate repair (which ironically was related to a tube taking out a resistor) and my friends experiences have been the same.

The tube amp repairability thing is way overblown on these forums in my opinion. Your opinion and your needs are no less legitimate than mine. But for some reason there's a lot of worry and concern about amps breaking, and that same rationale doesn't seem to apply to the loads of other music gear we and our bands all use week after week, month after month, and year after year.
This of course depends on the tube amp in question. There are some crappy ones out there, like the old Bugeras (though I hear they've gotten a lot better) which seemed to die, and there are a few Monoprice amps out there like that. In fact, I had a 1x12 speaker cab that used to be a Monoprice tube combo until the amp blew up.
 

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This of course depends on the tube amp in question. There are some crappy ones out there, like the old Bugeras (though I hear they've gotten a lot better) which seemed to die, and there are a few Monoprice amps out there like that. In fact, I had a 1x12 speaker cab that used to be a Monoprice tube combo until the amp blew up.
Agree, there are exceptions.
 

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The failure rate on the Tone Master amps is extremely low, even when compared to the equivalent tube amp.
And just like our tube amps, they are serviceable by any authorized service center.
And if you purchased used, or are outside the warranty period, an authorized service center will still repair a Tone Master amp for a minimal fee...just like an equivalent tube amp.

We believe in Tone Masters and we stand behind them.
BTW….I just retired from the music business….I sold Fender amplifiers and guitars for 46 years.

I don’t know if you knew Alan Waite….he was a friend of mine who was a VP with Fender….he passed away a while back. Also Larry Barnes, my now retired rep, he and I go way back…good guy.

Other names…Phil Short…Ron Gentry…Steve Proescher…they all worked for Fender a while back….I think Phil Short is still there in Specialty Sales.
 

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There are some mods you can get done to make them better.

Check out Psionic Audio's videos on them if you haven't seen them:

 

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BTW….I just retired from the music business….I sold Fender amplifiers and guitars for 46 years.

I don’t know if you knew Alan Waite….he was a friend of mine who was a VP with Fender….he passed away a while back. Also Larry Barnes, my now retired rep, he and I go way back…good guy.

Other names…Phil Short…Ron Gentry…Steve Proescher…they all worked for Fender a while back….I think Phil Short is still there in Specialty Sales.
Yes, I remember Alan and Phil is still with us.
 
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