Just added a second string tree...

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  1. moosie

    moosie Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    And I like it.

    I'm so tired of poor string pressure over the nut on my Fender guitars. Yes, they're set up correctly. Yes, the nuts are perfect.

    I don't care for the look, either. But am I looking at it, or playing it?
     
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    Forgot the obligatory pic. Yes, so far the only victim is one of my builds, but lookout Fenders... I'm just working up the desire to drill new holes... Dang it, maybe I can tape one on...


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    What were the symptoms on the D & G?
     
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    Same as they always are. Remember, I play dead clean. That might show it more clearly. And clarity is the thing. Press down slightly behind the nut and it gets better (though it's sharp done that way...). I've noticed it on every Fender, as long as I've been playing. Compared to an angled headstock like Gibson or Martin, the G especially is weak as dishwater.
     
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    I certainly fiddle with pickup heights to get string balance but hadn't noticed a weak G.
    I do get an overly loud G with a traditional staggered Strat or Tele bridge pickup combined with a flatter board radius.
    Have to check some guitars tomorrow!

    You're not using a wound G are you?
     
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    You could buy one of those 3-string trees to replace your 2-string tree. That way you don’t have to drill a new hole.
     
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    just what I was thinking
     
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    i put hipshot staggered height tuners on a Yamaha s type which eliminated trees and nut issues.
    their back plate system means no drilling which is always nice.
     
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    I have a couple of triple trees. One on a strat, can't remember where the other one is. I don't like new holes, but I don't really like the triple either. The G stresses it, and it bends up a bit. Some days I decide it's gonna be triples for Fenders and two trees for my builds. Then other days I'm ready to drill. But then I put it off...
     
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    Not a wound G. In fact I was just wondering if it's less of an issue with a wound G, and that's why it didn't seem important in 1950.

    'Weak' is the wrong word. Lack of clarity. Borderline sitar effect, due to so little pressure on the nut. Oh, I finesse it. I think we all do, and we're so used to it. I've always felt the flat headstock was a poor design, for this reason. It's inelegant that a headstock design requires any tree. It works, but it ain't great.

    Love my Fenders, but the string geometry at the headstock is less than ideal.

    I don't like that the headstock needs any trees, but I'd rather have two, and clarity, than to continue as is just because it's historically correct.
     
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    If you don't like the look of the 2nd string tree you can always wind down the string 6 turns on your D string tuner and 8 on your G ,this will give you a good behind the nut angle.
     
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    Yeah, I always do that. It helps, but it's not enough.
     
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    Oh, I'm sorry, YOUR MAJESTY.

    Anyway... While watching some review videos, I came across one where the guy changed his string tree for a Graph Tech TUSQ tree. I was thinking of doing the same, but then I thought 'what do I care?'.
     
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    We can’t be friends.

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    I've always thought of the word "punky" for some reason, I think I know what you mean, and I've thought of adding another string tree a few different times too.

     
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    Thread title made me think your first tree was not producing enough strings for the harvest.

     
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    Chrissie Hynde has made it cool to have two. It’s ok. It’s ok. It’s ok. Yep. It is ok.
     
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    Call me crazy, and maybe it’s because I have several Squier Standards with two trees that it looks normal to me…

    …but I’m happy with having a second tree. It keeps the third string from sympathetically ringing out behind the nut.

    I have a Classic ‘50s MIM Telecaster with only one tree and I am experimenting with using a wound third on that, but I’d just as soon use a plain third for easier bending, and I’m not such a fanatic about the historical accuracy or aesthetic of having just a single tree!
     
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    Isn't the weak G string the result of a Leo cost saving measure?

    A 1" neck blank will result in a shallow break angle over the nut; if you're rolling your own a thicker blank allows for a steeper angle - problem solved.
     
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