I've been looking for a pedal to give me some grit with my Laney Cub 8 (and subsequently the VC 30). Overdrive pedals just don't work for me, and boosters are too weak. The sound I'm looking for is similiar to Danny Gatton's "cranked amp", gritty, but with definition. After reviewing pedal demos on YT, the closest to this ideal sound I was the the Wampler 57. Since I mostly play clean, I'd think that I'd prefer the sound of the Black 65, but on the demos it just sounds too mushed up when cranked. Although I can get the Wampler pedals at a discount price, I'm still wondering if I can get in the teritorry with a Joyo American pedal. I haven't seen side by side comparisons, and a lot of Joyo demos go straight into recording. I'd be using this with a regular guitar amp.