Joni Mitchell and Steely Dan?

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  1. Ignatius

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    Not to nitpick, but it's only Michael on this tour - no Randy.

    One of my very favorite albums of all time. WHAT A BAND. I was already a big Metheny/Mays fan when this came out. I'd get some odd looks cranking this in my dorm when everyone else was listening to AC/DC and REO Speedwagen or whatever. I still get odd looks and I've become accustomed to it.

    There will never be another Jaco. What a horribly sad story.
     
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  2. Mike Eskimo

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    Joni and The Dan ?

    Similarities ?

    Same coke dealer for one...
     
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    Really?

    Geez!!!!

    Well, it was that time period.
     
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    Is she playing an Ibanez "George Benson"...??? :eek:
     
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    I think so.

    If not, it's stll a gorgeous Ibanez jazz box.

    Mike
     
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  6. ndcaster

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    good post, OP

    Joni is on another level, ditto Fagen and Becker

    big ears all around
     
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    Oooh!! great post subject!!I have always loved both Steely Dan and Joni Michell. It wasn’t until my wife’s rediscovery of her music about two years ago that I learned about her life, the trials and tribulations of her career. She is an icon. Chrissy recorded a couple of her songs with just piano and vocals on our Sound Cloud page and said its the hardest vocal style she’s ever encountered. Joni was a monster guitar/keyboard player and a great arranger and producer. Chaka Kahn lives down the street from Joni and they spend lots of time together. In fact, Chaka is recording a JM tribute album and it should be killer. The Mingus album has great players including Jaco, who she encouraged to “play around the chords”. She was briefly married to Larry Klein (who left her for a younger woman) who was one of my favorite bass players. Chinese Cafe has one of the all time best bass parts and production (LarryKlein), writing, vocals of ever. Just Joni at her best..



    “..Mitchell claimed that her inspiration for the album came from hearing the music of popular bands such as Steely Dan, Talking Heads and The Police at a discothèque during a trip to the Caribbean in 1981. She said that hearing The Police, especially, affected her sound, saying, "their rhythmic hybrids, and the positioning of the drums, and the sound of the drums, was one of the main calls out to me to make a more rhythmic album".
     
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    It was just the massive amount of drugs you were ingesting...

    that'll do that.
     
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    I saw Jaco and Metheny (I forget who the drummer was) in a tiny club called the Jazz Alley on Boylston Street in Boston way back in the 70s. That was shortly before Jaco became hugely famous - in the jazz world, anyway. Saw Miles there, too! One of his guitarists was playing a long solo and Miles kept signaling him to end it but the guy was too wrapped up in his solo to pay attention. Finally, Miles walked over to the guy and put his hand on the guitar strings! I felt so embarrassed for the poor guy. That’s two priceless memories of my college days.
     
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  10. Chino

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    I LOVE SD, Joni, and this thread! I seem to recall an album where different artists recorded Joni songs and Steely Dan was one of them. Then there was an album where Joni picked some of her favorite songs by other artists and “Third World Man” was one of them. So there you go. By the way, Diana Krall does a great cover of “Black Crow.” Here’s a live version:

     
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    WOW! The Diana Krall (another great Canadian!) video is AWESOME!!!

    You almost never hear anyone cover Joni (or SD)!

    High Level Stuff, for sure!

    Thanks!
     
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  12. MDent77

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    Mitchell, Fagan & Becker all grew up with a love of Jazz and Blues. It's most likely the common font that influenced them and heard in their songwriting.
     
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    Glad you liked man. The album version is really nice too. Oddly enough, her husband (Elvis Costello) covers “Edith and the Kingpin” but it doesn’t work IMO.
     
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    +1. Gorgeous.
     
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    I knew Fagan and Becker were jazz fans, but I never knew this about Joni.

    I always thought Joni was a folk singer-songwriter and nothing more.

    Whose idea was it for her to colaborate with all those jazz greats?

    Her idea, or some producer?

    As I previously stated, I was a jazz fan from about 15. When I first heard that Joni came out with a Jazzy album, I thought, this is going to be a disaster!

    Boy, was I wrong.

    Another slice of humble pie, please.

    Mike ;)
     
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    I believe Joni's intro to jazz came about from experimenting with open tunings. Many of those tunings have a dissonant, unfamilar sound to them... pulling her writing, melodies and vocals towards jazz.

    And, playing the folk/coffeehouse circuit in the early 60's along side of John Lee Hooker, Son House, MS John Hurt, Fred Mc Dowell, Odetta, Dylan and other's, probably exposed her to the blues.

    Actually, her vocal style in later year's always greatly reminded me of Sarah Vaughn. Especially, some of the breathiness, vibrato and dropping off at the end of phrases.

    She has influenced me in so many ways... mostly, non-musical.

    Attitude.

    I could easily say the same about Steely Dan.
     
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    It's known Joni was quite a free spirit and much of her music and collaborations with many musicians came about through what I suppose one could call networking. ;)
     
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    Check out Diana's version of Joni's 'A Case of You' from the Live in Paris album.
     
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    Iwill check it out; thanks! Look who else covered it. Not sure what I think of this but the ending was cool.

     
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