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Joe Jackson - 89 - R.I.P.

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  1. Deeve

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    okay - not everybody's favorite idea of father, or manager, but, Results. . .
    Peace - Deeve

    https://www.npr.org/2018/06/27/6225...-manager-and-father-to-pop-royalty-dead-at-89

    Joe Jackson, patriarch of the legendary Jackson family, which included Michael and Janet Jackson, has died, the estate of Michael has confirmed in a statement. No cause of death was given, though he had reportedly been diagnosed with cancer.

    Officially, Joe Jackson was a band manager, taking five of his sons from a locally celebrated pop vocal group in Gary, Ind., in the mid-1960s to international acclaim, acting as the launchpad to superstardom for his son Michael. Their paths, however, would be revealed through the decades as ones paved in checkers.

    Joe Jackson, born in Alabama on July 26, 1928, was the eldest of six children of Samuel and Chrystal Jackson. Jackson's parents separated in 1942, leaving Joe to travel between his father in Oakland, Calif. and his mother in East Chicago, Ind., before settling in the latter.

    In his early 20s, while moonlighting in a blues band with his brother Luther, Joe met Katherine Scruse, whom he would marry in November 1949. (It would be his second, following a brief marriage that was annulled.) Rebbie Jackson — the first of their 10 children — was born in 1950; Jackie in 1951; Tito in 1953; Jermaine in 1954; La Toya in 1956; Marlon in 1957; Brandon in 1957; Michael in 1958; Randy in 1961; and Janet in 1966.

    In the early 1960s, Jackson was working in a steel mill when he formed — or regimented, with regular daily practice scheduled by the tempestuous family head — a band sourced from his five sons: Jermaine, Jackie, Marlon, Tito and the youngest, Michael, as its charismatic lead singer.

    Through performances at local malls and talent shows, the group quickly cultivated a sterling local reputation, eventually taking top prize in a contest at the Apollo Theater in New York in 1967, when Michael was 9 years old. After auditioning in July 1968, The Jackson 5 was signed to Berry Gordy's legendary Motown Records in March 1969. The group released its first single, "I Want You Back," that October, becoming its first No. 1 hit the following January. The group's first album, Diana Ross Presents The Jackson 5, would tally an astounding 10 million sales over just 10 months; the following April, the Jackson 5's classic "ABC" would dethrone The Beatles' "Let It Be" from the top of the singles chart.

    Later in life, however — after "Jackson Mania" and Saturday morning cartoons, solo careers and meet-and-greets with the Queen of England — a darker public picture of the Jackson family's internal life was slowly revealed.

    In an interview with Oprah Winfrey in 1993, Michael Jackson revealed that the drive behind his and his brothers' early success was a harsh regime enforced by Joe, bordering on physical and mental abuse.

    Joe Jackson and some of the other Jackson siblings denied those allegations, describing the treatment as in line with the stern discipline practices of the day.

    "There was a lot of love in that little house," Jackie Jackson, the eldest brother, is quoted as saying in The Jacksons: Legacy. "My mother was the sweetest woman you could ever meet. ... My father was the one who cracked the whip."

    In a 2007 interview with The Chicago Defender, Joe Jackson explained that his form of discipline was not unlike any other black family of the era. "Yeah, I whipped my kids and back then there was nothing wrong with that," he said. "Nowadays people want to call the police on you. The people complaining about what I did got whippings from their parents too."

    Despite the internal tensions the allegations caused within the family, Jackson was seen holding his son's hand as they walked into the Santa Barbara County Superior Court, before Michael's 2005 trial on charges of child molestation, and never wavered in maintaining his son's innocence.

    In fact, Jackson acknowledged Michael did not exactly have the most idyllic of childhoods, saying it may have influenced the public's perception of The King of Pop. As he told CNN in 2013: "Well ... Michael was a big old kid himself. He was still — had the mind of a kid. But he loved kids so much. And the things that he didn't have, he tried to help them to have it."

    When questioned about any regrets in that CNN interview, Jackson replied: "Well, I'm glad I was tough, because look what I came out with. I came out with some kids that everybody loved all over the world. And they treated everybody right."

    Additional reporting by Andrew Flanagan.
     
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    There's really only one thing I can say about him. He's dead...
     
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    I'm not a judge.
    In spite of what you may have heard, I'm not perfect.
    I'll just say this.
    No Daddy Joe, no Jackson talent.
    That's all I got.
    I can not imagine what his (early) life might have been like.
    Not easy, though, I'm thinkin'.
     
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    Especially in this case, I can't possibly say the end justifies the means. I'm not perfect either but have had a wonderful life. I read on this very forum about some members who's fathers whipped them, burned them and verbally traumatized them.

    I like to be forgiving and understanding...but sometimes I can only register an absence of emotion.

    Sometimes a peaceful rest is more than I can wish for for someone...
     
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    I’d assumed he had died years ago.

    I guess when I was growing up it was my father who ‘cracked the whip’ but just metaphorically.
     
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    I don't think this old fellah did what he did, for gratification.


    He thought that being brutal with them, was what he was supposed to do. And in a way, he felt affirmed by their commercial success.

    These kinds of guys don't exist anymore, or their numbers are dwindling super fast. Being mean with your kids, in order to force them to find "success", is part of how America got to the top of the heap. Can we find another way, to stay there (or get back there)?

    He's suffered enough. His precious son preceded him in death; a son who appeared to very few to actually be a happy person. That's got to be a tough thing, to see your child unable to co-exist with a culture that adored him. Old Joe got to hear people like me skewer his son - now he doesn't have to wonder anymore.
     
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    Met Joe around 2006 in San Diego. He was in the audience with a couple of bodyguard-looking guys. He was very polite, friendly, and soft-spoken. We hung out on the breaks and after the gig. I can't opine regarding his private parental behavior, but he was a smart, well-informed conversationalist with a wide knowledge of all kinds of music and a charming wit.
     
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    Reading the 10 children's names with the year of their birth is staggering.

    Jeebus Joe give her a break.
     
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    Well, I thought this was about the other Joe Jackson. This is better.
     
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    And he was very, very wrong.
    There's no excuse for abuse.
     
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