Job Offer - Should I counter?

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  1. burntfrijoles

    burntfrijoles Poster Extraordinaire

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    Do you have job that you’re happy at now?
    Is the offer better than you earn now?
    Do you think this job will be more rewarding or has a higher ceiling?

    You can propose an amount or you can respectfully ask if the offer is negotiable as you were expecting a higher offer.
     
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    Get what you are worth going in, but, don't price yourself out of a job...
     
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  3. Danjabellza

    Danjabellza Friend of Leo's

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    It’s normal. Do it. Don’t counter for double, but whatever you were hoping for, I’d counter for a little more and see what they say. They might come back again at your initial “hope”
     
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    If he is frozen at the entry rate, you could ask if other items
    are negotiable. More vacation in year 1.
    Sanity is nice to have.
     
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    It really depends on the type of job and the size of the business. If it is a huge business - and the managers want to hire you... arguing with HR doesn't hurt.

    On the other hand, if it is a small business and the manager is the HR... it kind of changes things.
     
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    I agree generally, but there's a certain percentage of employers that just don't work that way. And if you counter you won't be hired.

    This would be specific to the 15% of whatever it is of this kind of employer. They can be strange like this, then double your salary within 3 years. You've simply got to find someone who knows your employer. The higher the hiring guy is to "The Top" the more likely he is to be "this" guy. If the guy doing the hiring is well removed from the top, sure, absolutely counter.

    Woops, I should've read the post right above mine before I posted. Says the same thing.
     
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    do they know what your current salary is??

    If they do, its probably a really bad idea to ask for more when they know they are offering you $30K (holy crap!!) more that what you make now
     
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    I once went to work for a humongous sign company as a neon glassblower. Two shifts in the neon shop, with five glassblowers per shift.....that's a lot. The company had great benefits compared to other shops, and had much better job security than any others. They offered me a slightly lower hourly rate than I was accustomed to, but they could guarantee 40+ hours a week on a consistent basis. The supervisor said (when I started) that there would be a "likely" raise after a 90 day probation period. I really liked the job. At the end of 90 days, I approached him about a raise, as he had indicated, and he hemmed and hawed, and said they couldn't at that time. I didn't get or act angry, I just said I was very disappointed in him and how he apparently couldn't be relied on as a man of his word.....but I was going to stay on and simply do the best job I was capable of......I shook his hand and left his office. About two or three days later he stopped by my work station, and said he had reconsidered his actions, and offered an increase....not quite as much as I wanted, but better nonetheless. I thanked him for his words of confidence and went back to work. I think he was so used to working with people who often exploded in anger or had unrealistic expectations that he was caught completely off guard. We had a pretty good work relationship from then on.
     
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    Most places I've worked seemed like they immediately went down the tubes after I started.... hmmm..... yeah, never mind.
     
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    here is the thing--> is it a place that can negotiate? if, yes, would you take the job if you counter and they say 'sorry, it is our best and final'?

    That is where things get emotionally crazy. If you counter ONLY counter if you will be okay if they say 'no dice'... just realize if they say 'no dice' and you still take it... that creates some odd thoughts and emotions for you AND them.

    If you really want 40K more than you currently make and are willing to walk over it, go for it.
    If you are good with them saying 'nah, best and final' and taking it... go for it.

    all things have echoes and ramifications... but, it is just money, so if you want it, you'll need to ask for it.

    My general rule is do not negotiate if you cannot walk.
     
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    Salary is just one part of an offer. How is the health care plan? Is it a high deductible plan? What is your contribution to it? What your employer pays in isn’t taxable under most circumstances. What you pay is still taxable. How does coverage compare with what you have now? 401K plans and employer contributions vary. Make sure you’ll be making good progress toward retirement. Is there a pension plan separate from the 401K? Does unused sick and vacation time roll over from one year to the next? Do you know anyone working there? Are they happy. There are a lot of questions for sure, and there are more you should be thinking about than just these. You should have answers that you like before you accept an offer.
     
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    I countered: we negotiated: I got a good bit more than was offered initially. Go for it!
     
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    Hi,
    Yes, I have a good job now, just no room for growth. I asked for 12K more and a couple extra days off. This way they can negotiate down a little and feel good about it and I still get what I want.
    The job has been vacant since July, so I have some leverage. I stated I was impressed with the offer and benefits, but felt my skills/experience are worth the higher amount.

    Thank you all so much!!! I'll let you know how it goes. Waiting for a call back now.
     
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    It's a large business and I'd be a site manager
     
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    Hold up here!! You really want the job, it's closer to home and it pays $30,000 more a year more than you're making right now,,, and you're Bitchin you want More?!?!

    Have you ever read the story about the dog with a bone in his mouth, that looked in the pond, and saw a bigger bone, dropped his to grab the bigger bone,,, guess what!!
    You're in Texas, don't make me have to come to the Westside and hurt you:cool:
     
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    Not bitchin, just trying to figure out the protocol. I spent most of my career in military/government service, where the pay scale was the pay scale. So negotiating is kind of new to me. But I hear what you are saying, laugh. If you make it out here, the first couple rounds are on me.
     
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    just remember if you take the job and they agree to the salery request , there is an expectation for you to do what they wish , I left an extremely lucritive job that was carreer building because the "We own your soul and your private life " factor was too strong and all my peers who were much younger than me all have grey hair and shares in greecian formula, My ex boss had a heart attack last christmas he was 8 years younger than me. BTW at 63 my hair is the same color as it was when I was 20 , with less that 3% grey.
     
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    Thanks for the advice!!!
     
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    A story:
    Spouse, highly regarded in her field, was being recruited by two conflicting interests.

    Spouse didn't know that whichever interest got her, would also get a huge grant because, unbeknownst to spouse, the grant relied upon her work.

    The grant had a lifespan.

    Spouse negotiated with the one she believed offered the greatest job security. Her only criteria: A parking spot.

    Five years later the grant ran out, and despite spouse being very well liked and regarded amongst her coworkers, they let her go (there's more involved of course, things like unwanted 'overtures' from supervisor and the color of her skin...but we'll leave that for another time)...

    The point:
    Spouse could have negotiated a golden parachute of biblical proportions, she didn't even think about it.

    And after she got her parking spot it was too late.
     
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    401k matching? Will they pay your portion of health care benefits? An extra week of paid vacation?
     
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