Jensen speaker shootouts

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    Been thinking about trying a Jensen alnico lately, and I've been doing a lot of online research. This guy has tons of demos on his channel, but here are a couple interesting ones I found that may help some folks here down the road. Comparing vintage & reissue Jensens in a 5e3, a RI Jensen vs a Celestion Blue in a 5e3, and a P12Q RI vs a Weber Speed Shop speaker in a 5e3. I've never owned any of these models, but I picked the RI Jensen each time without thinking twice. Hearing it like this confirmed how much I didn't like the one Blue I tried in a 5e3!





     
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    I won't be sad if this just becomes a good speaker shootout thread. Here is another that has a great player comparing American vs British.

     
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    Those are 2 of my most favorite speakers. I put the Jensen Ceramics in all my build/rebuilds. I’ve tried a lot of speakers. The Creamback G12M65 transformed my 1960A cab with my Marshall JVM410H
     
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    Listened to the video. I think both presentations were great. The Jensen has less thick minds and allowed the top end to appear brighter, a really great sound. The Creamback has a thicker mid, but to me a more linear sound and very smooth highs. It also had a litter more break up hair than the Jensen. I really liked them both. I think the guy did a great recording job.
     
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    All of them are in the same line as I've always heard live. I've never been a Celestion fan in Fenders. The mid-tones I heard in the demos are the same I hear in the room. Sounds like a record player plug-in to me.

    After all the reviews I've seen, the Weber shootout really surprised me. I didn't like the Weber at all. Glad I never shelled out the cash for one.
     
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    I bought a lot of Webers. I bought them under recommendations of people on the forums. Initially when I first got them, I thought they were harsh, bright and loud. Now after a few years, playing them they are just starting to get very reactionary to the amps I try them in and much more balanced and smooth. You can’t really judge them new.
     
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    I've been thinking about a 2x12 loaded with a C12N and a G12M-65.
     
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    I much prefer the P, PS, and N versions of the vintage Jensens. And I did my time with the 'reissues'---no thanks.
     
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    I tried the c12n, c12k, Eminence Cannabis Rex and Legend 1258 in my 5e3.

    The c12n was too brittle. The c12k had a nice all around sound, but the voice coil started rubbing about a year in. The Rex was too woofy in that amp. The lowly 1258 was my ultimate pick. I think it sounds great and has a good general american tone, and it’s pretty high efficiency so you can squeeze a little more clean headroom out.
     
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    I’ve used the 1258 legend in a lot of Fender amps and they are a more than competent speaker. For the money they are hard to beat.
     
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    I've run Jensen P12Qs in both my DRRI and PRRI. They are low efficiency, which means you can turn up the amp more. They are also extremely lightweight. They are mid-scooped and bright, can get ice picky quickly, but have real nice crystalline cleans. My biggest complaint is that when overdriven, they get terribly farty in the bass. Since I use overdrive regularly, this ruled them out for me. Two good alternatives I've found that overdrive nicely: Allesandro SC-64 (ceramic) and most recently Celestion cream alnico. After trying the Celestion, I can see (hear) what all the fuss is about. It's a pricey speaker but has incredible cleans with tons of headroom (90watts, 100db) yet the most beautiful break up tone I've ever heard. Both of these speakers are way more efficient than the P12Q, but I always rely on a pedal for overdrive/distortion anyway so it's not an issue. Should you decide to go with a P12Q, PM me, I have one for sale.
     
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    Interesting videos, they pretty much display my experience with these types of speakers. The lower powered, inefficient Jensens do get farty when played loud. I actually had a Celestion ceramic speaker in my old '65 Deluxe Reverb. I much preferred the sound with the Celestion back then. I really do cringe when a Jensen starts to fart out. It is never pleasant.
     
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    I really like lower efficiency speakers especially for larger amps. The Jensen C12N is 97 dB as to a lot of speakers being 100 dB and above. By loosing the 3dB efficiency my 100 watt Twin Reverbs and much closer to 50 watt amp. Also I find the amp responds better and adds more of the speaker to the equation, since they are rated at 50 watts each.

    Initially I was going the other way with a bunch of Eminence speakers in the 102/103 efficiency rating. I felt the amps were too loud and were not as responsive, like that close to the edge sound. To me it’s all about balance for the players needs.
     
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    Just curious, which Jensen’s are farting out, the reissue’s or the older ones. I ask, since I use a lot of new ones and have not had that issue.
     
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    I had a reissue Jensen alnico speaker in my 5e3 a while back (can't remember which model). I thought it sounded very musical at low volume, but fell apart once pushed.
    I put in a Fender branded Eminence ceramic speaker (pulled from a hot rod I think) and it sounds louder and much better when pushed, but not quite as musical at low volume.
     
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    I had a stock C12n in my old '65 deluxe reverb that I gigged with in the 90s-2000s. I later put a Celestion in it. At high volume, it helped me with the farty sounds. It wasn't an issue with the amp at 3-4, but it wasn't to my liking above 5.
     
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    Please see my second post. It was a vintage C12n.
     
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    A 5e3 is the only amp that I didn't like a Cannabis Rex. And if you can stand the volume, and 1258 sounded amazing with it, but it is a LOUD speaker to crank anything through.
     
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    I love good speaker shootout vids, but there are so many variables even when they're done right. Sensitivity is a big one, vintage v. modern is just totally gonna sound different, and 'both well broken in' is the 800-lb gorilla in the room. But there are more; many of us might turn down the tone knob some when playing a modern Jensen.

    The other thing we see in this thread is we all have different styles, play different guitars in different rooms, want to hear different SPLs, and most of all have different ears connected to different brains.

    And the 5E3 is a special case. A super-popular amp, so thousands of us have personal speaker faves, but also one with a pretty unusual sound spectrum, and one that can be built and tuned to a lot of different sound styles.

    At some point, especially for the 5E3, you have to turn off YouTube and try a few speakers. All my amps have 8-ohm speakers, and I have a 6' speaker extension cable, so I can try any of my speakers with any of my amps. Some amps sound good through all my speakers -- the 5E3 is probably the 'hardest to satisfy' sonically. But even then, we see wonderful legit players going with everything from worn-down Rolas to 12F150s and silver-domed monsters. To each his own...
     
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    I found a nice matching pair of 1963 c12q Jensens for my 63 bandmaster. Huge improvement over the Pyle type speakers that someone thought would be a upgrade. I’ve always had Jensen ceramics or alnicos. They all have that vintage tone to me, just clean, clear, jingle jangle, awesome tone. 7A479B07-E6FB-482F-9E16-AC37480CDE11.jpeg DC68B5A1-F059-4825-B616-0DD374D3A8A0.jpeg
     
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