Jazzmaster pickup in Tele neck position

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  1. Jackroadkill

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    Hi all,

    Hoping you may be able to help me; I've been thinking about a new Tele build and quite fancy the idea of a Jazzmaster pickup in the neck position. The question is this - can a Jazzmaster pickup be routed successfully through 250k tone and volume pots? I want to keep to the standard two-pickup, single volume and tone and three-way switch configuration.

    Thanks in advance,

    JRK
     
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    I’ve done it, it works fine, and sounds great!
    I never “got” the 1 meg pot thing.
     
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    Thanks - that's very helpful. Now to work out the routing.
     
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    The Tele neck position is inherently dark for some reason.

    A JM pickup in a Tele neck position with 250k pot will be darker still.

    So if you want bright and chimey JM neck, you may be disappointed.
     
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    A JM neck pickup wired with two 250k pots will not be dark, it will sound more like a traditional Strat. It's all relative though, like how you set up your amp for other guitars, even what you mean by "successful".

    IMHO, Jags and JMs have distinct sounds due to the floating trem and the 1Meg pots. The highs can be a bit too much depending on your amp settings and pedals (if any), and I have my 1Meg tone control set to 5 for balance with everything else I play. If I want that "250K" sound I roll down to like 3 or 4. It's still clear. If anything, the rhythm circuit full up is pretty close to the same thing (haven't done the math though). I think the circuit doesn't deserve all the trash talk it has received--it really is clear sounding and rolls off just enough highs. Sometimes I want those highs back, like when pushing through a tube reverb unit, which darkens the dry sound.

    A JM neck pickup on full 1meg is a beautiful thing to my ears, and I wouldn't want to lose the option. I'd think about using 500k pots and wiring a 500k resistor on the bridge pickup so it 'sees' a 250k load.

    What kind of JM pickup are you using?
     
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    @BorderRadio -

    I love the rhythm circuit.

    I find it useful in part because it is quite dark.

    Context and expectations are all, right?

    I wish someone had told me a JM pickup in a Tele neck with 250k pot would sound roughly like the JM rhythm circuit. Then I would have know. It wasn’t for me!

    Very useful post!
     
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    I stress the word roughly, because electronically, it's still very much a darker circuit than two 250k pots.

    But yep, all depends on point of reference. I owned a TVL Jazzmaster and it's rhythm circuit was incredibly useful. I'm pretty sure it was stock pot and cap values, which is a 1 meg volume and a 50k tone. Maybe not? Again, full up, it was not muddy--it retained lots of string detail even with loads of dirt.
     
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    That's fine - dark is just what I'm after in this circumstance. Thanks for the tip!

    Not sure yet - the idea's still developing. I'd guess at a Creamery Dark Star or, if they get the pickups online in time, a Bareknuckle JM. It'll be paired with a bridge pickup of the same heritage.
     
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    Ah, seems the Dark Stars are over wound, too dark for my tastes. If I had those pickups I'd be using 500k pickups for sure. All my comments were aimed at traditional JM pickups, like Antiquity or PV 65s
     
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    My 2012 Squier VM Telecaster Special with Jazzmaster neck and pickup from factory

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    They didn't make enough of those things!

    1. What are the values of the pots?
    2. Do the pickups seem inherently dark, like some Duncan Designed ones?
     
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    This!

    Thanks for posting the image - if it sounds as good as it looks....
     
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    I haven

    I haven't checked the pots yet. The pickups sound good. Not dark at all. Mine has a birdseye neck too
     
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    someone once told me that jazzmaster pickups can sound like rickenbacker pups. Ive never played a vintage rick so I can't say.
     
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