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Jazz Guitar Lovers...

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by jumpnblues, Oct 29, 2020.

  1. brookdalebill

    brookdalebill Tele Axpert Ad Free Member

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    I agree, regarding Sco, and the rolling down of the tone pot.
    One of the main reasons I like Barney Kessel and Pat Martino are their comparatively lively tone.
     
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  2. Harry Styron

    Harry Styron Friend of Leo's Gold Supporter

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    I love to listen to jazz, including jazz guitar as played by the Pizzarellis, Joe Pass, Grant Green, Bill Frisell, Pat Matheny and Julian Lage.

    I have learned that I am not interested in listening to or playing music that doesn’t swing. When I jam with my Boomer peers, they tell me that whatever I play sounds like jazz, even though accomplished jazz musicians would probably disagree.

    I played for three years—until the shutdown—in a big band, which I really enjoyed. In this setting, I have played several guitars, including a Tele, a Strat and a Peerless Revolver, which looks like an Epiphone Casino with P90s. I’ve never had a 175-type guitar.

    Now I play in my living room, learning jazz standards. I am in awe of Charlie Parker, Horace Silver, Bill Evans and Sonny Rollins as composers, among others. There is so much great beauty in bebop, when it’s not played too damn fast. On my couch, I play a little classical guitar or a Martin OM-21 that I just bought, and play mostly fingerstyle chord melody arrangements that I create.

    I also use jazz to compose, by writing new melodies and sometimes lyrics over chord progressions of jazz standards, which I cut and paste. A Real Book is a rich lode of musical ideas, much of which is based on the best Broadway music from Jerome Kern, Richard Rodgers, Cole Porter, Irving Berlin, and Frank Loesser, as well as non-Broadway pop and movie writers such as Jimmy Van Heusen, Hoagy Carmichael, etc. The brilliance of Charlie Parker, Oscar Peterson, John Coltrane, Miles Davis and others in deconstructing and transforming this music is staggering.

    I just got a lead on a possible formation of a Gypsy music combo. Since the big band, which is old guys blowing horns, is no longer viable epidemically, I’m excited at the chance to play jazz and swing in a small group.
     
  3. Jazzerclean

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    Putting a jazz combo together, played jazz gigs solo chord melody jazz ballads, duo guitar and sax and 4 piece. Use either my 2010, 110 watt Polytone Mini Brute 12" or my IMG_20200418_153027889.jpg 120 watt Henriksen Jazz amp 10" or my Roland JC55.
    GuitarsTobacco sunburst Gibson L5 Wes Montgomery, blonde Gibson 1980 ES175 or a BSB tele, no effects.
     
  4. Cheap Trills

    Cheap Trills Tele-Holic Silver Supporter

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    I've spent a lot of time experimenting trying to get the feel of classical strings on an electric guitar in an effort to join those two worlds. I tried methods like cutting tiny pieces of regular electric strings and attaching them to nylon strings so you can just slide them over pole pieces after tuning (this actually works alright). I ended up finding a special classical string set I could put together where every string would have a very thin steel core to be picked up by magnetic pickups, albeit weakly, but they still retain the feel of classical strings. Then I found specific pickup that I could modify with more winds and a stronger neodymium magnet. It's not quite what I want, but it's almost there. =)
     
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  5. Teleguy61

    Teleguy61 Friend of Leo's

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    I love jazz, and jazz on guitar.
    All of it--Charlie, Herb and Barney, Wyble, Pass, so many, Bickert, on and on.
    I love late 40s, early 50s hard bop stuff.
    Mile Quintet, classic repertoire, they are a wonderful education for any musician.
    Love it!
     
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  6. drmordo

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    I think "Enroute: John Scofield Trio Live" is pretty epic. If you don't like that, you might not like Scofield.

    I agree with so much of this post.

    I think Bebop is such a deep well of inspiration, just from Parker alone! But when you move past him to some of the other greats and then follow the thread into Hard Bop, there's a lifetime of study there. Not even for jazz guitar, but just different approaches to how melody can lay on chords.

    Regarding standards, I love to play them as well as newer "standards" by guys like Bacharach and Diamond to study how they build songs. I draw almost all of my songwriting inspiration from those guys.
     
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  7. ping-ping-clicka

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    A very beautiful instrument.
     
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  8. Slip Kid

    Slip Kid Tele-Holic Silver Supporter

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    I’m a jazz guitar lover. My college guitar teacher turned me on to Charlie Christian when I was first learning how to improvise. I didn’t truly get into jazz guitar until about 20 years ago, though, when I started to study with my current teacher. I started taking lessons with him because a friend of mine was learning guitar from a local jazz musician. He told me that his teacher knew and used to take lessons from Danny Gatton. It turned out that his teacher had also been a student of a few other “heavy hitting” jazz guitarists.

    I’ve learned a lot over the years but feel like it’s only just starting to sink in. It definitely has changed how I play guitar and create music. I do find it challenging, especially coming from a rock background. The classic standards don’t come second nature to me like The Beatles or SRV would but it’s well worth the effort.

    My ‘03 Heritage 575 Custom along with my SFTR and Headstrong Lil King S:

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  9. Willie Johnson

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    Preach on. I absolutely hate it when I hear a jazz guitar tone that is so "warm" or "mellow" that it's barely audible. I think it isn't just players, but sound engineers that are to blame--they do it to double bass players too, when the bassist takes a solo, and it just sounds like "mrrph mrrph mrrph".
     
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  10. joebloggs13

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    Another jazz lover here. Django, Pass, Charlie Christian, Wes....all great stuff. I have two jazzers...
    An Ibanez with Lollar CC and P90. IMG_20200703_140855.jpg
    An Easrman(my #1 for jazz)
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  11. Robert H.

    Robert H. Friend of Leo's Gold Supporter

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    I am a Jazz and Jazz guitar lover.
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  12. RadioFM74

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    I love jazz and I have been playing jazz mostly over the last few years.

    Swing/bop is where it's at for me: I love big band jazz (play in a big band) and small combo. Favorite players range from the pioneers of the acoustic archtop (Eddie Lang, Dick McDonough, George Van Eps, Allan Reuss), Charlie Christian, Remo Palmieri ("Groovin' High" anyone?), Dick Garcia, Chuck Wayne, Barney Kessel (possibly my favorite) and also the more pure boppers like Jimmy Rainey, René Thomas and Tan Farlow. For playing this stuff, I am pretty dead set on acoustic arch tops with a DeArmond pickup into an old-school tube amp … octal if possible, tweed-ish if not.

    These are my boxes (Loat LH-700 with DeArmond FHC; Höfner 465 with Rhythm Chief), my main swing amp (1946 Epiphone Electar Zephyr) and some of my recordings done during covid on this gear.

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    This one was my homage to the wonderful Bucky Pizzarelli right after he passed on, recorded with a friend playing double bass



    For more bop/post-bop sounds (Grant Green, Wes, George Benson…) I like to play my Casino into a cleaner amp like my Tremolux. The tele does great too.

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    I also love Western swing – so many great players from Junior Barnard to Jimmy Bryant etc… and tend to play my teles into the Zephyr for that or my DeArmond arch tops.

    Sooner or later I'll get in Gypsy jazz, and Django of course is the main influence there. This is a thing I recorded that ended up sounding a lot more gypsy than I initially thought:



    If forced to name a favorite jazz guitarist, I'd probably go with Barney Kessel, especially his 50s output. But luckily I am not forced to have just one favorite! There's so many!
     
  13. blue metalflake

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    Never conquered the style, but love listening.
     
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    Conquering the language of contemporary jazz is daunting. Conquering the language of swing is within the reach of any player wanting to learn their 9th and 6th or 13th chords, plus a handful of classic progressions.

    If you're interested GO FOR IT. You'll be up and running in just a few weeks of determined effort. And it will do good to your guitar playing on EVERY level!
     
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    LOVE jazz guitar, don't play it yet. Favorites are Kenny Burrell and Johnny Smith.

    LOVE LOVE swing jazz/jump blues, don't really think of it as "jazz", favorites are the godfathers Charlie Chrisitian and T-Bone Walker, and Brian Setzer.

    As much as I LOVE jazz, I'm really not much a fan of bebop. It just goes too far off the reservation for me, in most cases.
     
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  16. jumpnblues

    jumpnblues Friend of Leo's

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    I too am heavily influenced by horn and keyboard jazz players in addition to jazz guitar players. A rich pool of ideas for jazz guitarists. And since I'm also a bluegrass flat picker, other bluegrass players are also an influence on my jazz playing. There are many extremely talented bluegrass flat pickers who can also pick the heck out of jazz.
     
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    jumpnblues Friend of Leo's

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    It can be an acquired taste.
     
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    i have a weird relationship with it. i was in some jazz programs and bands as a teenager. i never really quite got it under my fingers. i was much better at classical.

    but through classical i got into experimental music, and through there i got into free improvisation and free jazz. i still prefer more prickly stuff. straighter stuff for me that i usually frequent will be something like dolphy or sam rivers. i was always upset that there isn't a lot of inside-outside stuff to learn from in guitar land between wes montgomery and derek bailey. at least, not as much as there are horn players or pianists. i don't really like fusion after the early 70s. for straight stuff, if guitar is in the mix i like listening to solo or duo playing more than guitar as a lead in a combo. i find that guitar trying to be horn-like is not as interesting as guitar trying to negotiate a piano's role with limited resources. i often find myself transcribing piano stuff as much as guitar stuff.

    i play mostly electric now instead of classical, i wouldn't call myself a rock player but i wouldn't call myself a jazz player. i have a pretty decent chord vocabulary and can muddle my way through a solo or arrange tunes. but it's an indispensable tool for learning harmony, and for applying stuff to any type of music that isn't rock (r&b, latin american music, etc), and i always find myself studying it in some way.
     
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  19. dustoff pilot

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    If you get a chance look up Paul Asbell, truly a fine player. You won't be sorry.
     
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  20. Mark the Moose

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    I was a a jazz pianist in my first career. I’ve begun attempting to transfer skills to the guitar, but I’m not very far along!
     
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