I've got a question about Dave Grohl

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  1. Blazer

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    Now growing up in the eighties, I noticed that people had a sheer hatred of Phil Collins. Both Serious music press and casual listeners of music. They say he was a talent less hack who didn't deserve all the accolades he got.

    So why was that?
    - Over exposure, when Collins got famous, he was hired left and right to work as producer and studio musician and basically was everywhere and people were getting tired of him constantly popping up and basically putting his stamp on every single thing in music during the eighties.
    - The fact that Phil never looked like the major pop star he was, also contributed here. He was just a normal every day English lad, who wore CARDIGANS. How is it possible that such a normal guy can be so big?

    The fact that his skills as a musician, producer and song writer were the reason WHY he was that omnipresent is less important, it was always a case of "Oh no, not HIM again!"

    But in recent years I noticed that history is repeating itself here.
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    Here again we have a guy who is omnipresent, has NO ego, behaves normally and is one of the biggest rock stars ever.

    And yeah, people are going "Man I HATE Dave Grohl, why is he that famous anyway?"

    So would you consider Dave Grohl the new Phil Collins on account of being over exposed?
     
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    I acknowledge Grohl has talent. But his music, to my ears, is lame. And yes. I'm tired of him popping up everywhere.
    The difference I see between him and your Collins analogy is that I find everybody loves Grohl.
     
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    I've no love for either, so you're probably on the money.
     
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    I love both. Scores of people do. And I’m sure that’s the real problem for the ones who dislike both/either of them.
     
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    I like them both.
     
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    You say Collins was hated by “both serious music press and casual listeners of music.” Obviously somebody liked him, considering he sold tens of millions of albums.

    As for Grohl, I think he’s one of the best drummers of the past 30 years. He’s got a lot of talent, is a great entertainer, and seems genuinely likable. As far as his band, I think they’re a pale water downed version of his last band. They have some strong songs here and there, but they ain’t Nirvana and never will be as far as I’m concerned.
     
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    Who are those people, and why does their opinion matter?
     
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    I agree with the OP's premise.

    I always liked Phil Collins, but never studied him much.
    I do agree that with great commercial success comes a fair amount of popular contempt.

    For a certain period of time, Phil Collins was everywhere, and at some point, that over-exposure led to 'Phil Collins Fatigue' among most viewers and listeners.

    How many NFL fans, just a few years ago for example, were quoted as saying, "Jesus God, the Patriots are in the Super Bowl again this year? I'm not watching, it's just gotten old!!"

    Dave Grohl is a musician that I have studied more closely.
    He's an interesting cat in that he is both a musical talent but also an enormous music fan.
    He just plain digs musicians, the process of making music, and also listening to old music recorded by other artists.

    All you have to do is watch his documentary Sound City to understand what I'm talking about.

    My one criticism of Dave Grohl is that he drops the F-bomb a little too frequently when live and on stage.
    It's really not necessary.

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    I haven't met a single person who doesn't like Dave Grohl.

    I can't stand Phil Collins' music, it's totally unlistenable, he is a good drummer though.
     
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    I’ve never heard anybody say “I hate Dave Grohl”...

    But, a lot of negativity like that goes in one ear and out the other.
     
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    I don't consider Dave to be the new Phil, but the parallels you draw are valid.

    It is unlikely anyone else will actually answer your question.
     
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    Phil was a better drummer in a better band.
     
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    "Oh, you hate Phil Collins [or Dave Grohl, or Brussels sprouts] just like I do? We can be friends!"


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    I think it’s written somewhere that if you’re famous and appearing somewhere Dave Grohl has to put in a guest appearance. Just a case of over exposure for both of them. That said I have no dislike for either of them but not really a fan either.
     
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    Oh , man , Im losing track here......We are supposed to hate Grohl as well......??? NOT easy to keep up with the darned internet...
     
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    Dave Grohl is more likable because he validates everybody's opinions about music. He'll cover practically anything, and he'll say "isn't that great?" to every song he covers. So, fans of that song say "Hey, he's a famous guy with a microphone, and he likes what I like. He's just like ME!" So, they get that gooey "I'm just like him" feeling.

    Phil Collins just seems mildly pleased to be there. And he's English. And, I don't feel anything like Phil Collins, although I'm objectively more similar to him than Dave Grohl.

    And what's a "Sussudio" anyway? Oh yeah, it's nothing, but we're going to make you pretend it's something, and that we're all enamored with it, because MONEY!

    So, there's that.
     
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