It's that time again, time to choose a speaker!! ('61 Band-Master 1x12")

[deytookerjaabs]

Welp, I'm making progress on a Band-Master I picked up a few months back (after a good 8 hours of work & learning with my tech/builder friend Sunday afternoon/evening).

There's a blonde/oxblood cab being built hopefully to arrive by end of June or early July so I went with a 1x12" mainly due the immense amount of available options.

Now, I'm running the amp through my Pro Reverb with a pair of Utahs. The amp stays very clean and warm with a bit of breakup when cranked but I'm looking to add a little mo' grit. What about that whole "speaker distortion" debacle, I don't like it 90% of the time but I'll be damned if some inefficient speakers aren't warm as heck when distorted but they're hard to come by imo (seems to get better with age?). There's also a variety of options I've read about, for instance running in the vibrato channel without a tube in V1, hmmm.


Oh, it's an 8ohm 40 watt (stated) amp (though not quite as loud as the Pro Reverb through the same cab)

Hemp Caps?? Heavy Doping?? Vintage/Modern?? Maybe soak it in the blood of my enemies for a few days???


TL;DR

I like warmer overdrive and think the perfect speaker for this amp would help me get there and I say that as a fella who usually prefers more efficient modern designs. This might be the time when a less efficient speaker does the trick, but it's got to be warm.
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[richa]

Hemp Caps?? Heavy Doping?? Vintage/Modern?? Maybe soak it in the blood of my enemies for a few days???
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I've got some upholstery I cut off an easy chair that's been in my family longer than I have. Finally became unsafe to sit in at any speed. So I kept a big chunk of the very 50s looking fabric thinking I might be able to use it in a cab. My theory was that the old fabric would filter out the ill effects of any components manufactured after 1960. Then I could soak it in cheap booze and saturate with cigarette smoke to give it the real mojo.

Would make a great story anyway and that's what counts. Sorry I don't really have a useful suggestion but I couldn't resist. [emoji4]

 

[deytookerjaabs]

I've got some upholstery I cut off an easy chair that's been in my family longer than I have. Finally became unsafe to sit in at any speed. So I kept a big chunk of the very 50s looking fabric thinking I might be able to use it in a cab. My theory was that the old fabric would filter out the ill effects of any components manufactured after 1960. Then I could soak it in cheap booze and saturate with cigarette smoke to give it the real mojo.

Would make a great story anyway and that's what counts. Sorry I don't really have a useful suggestion but I couldn't resist. [emoji4]

Ironically, we discussed stale booze and cigarette ashes (sarcastically) to relic that new cloth wire we had to use to clean up some of the internal mess, it looked very out of place!! No Mojo! Then we fired up wired to stock specs w/3prong cable and new filter caps...and destroyed the tone further after we shut her off and replaced the other big PIO caps. Maybe I should take this bag of blistering electrolytics and reinstall the mojo?

 

[ndcaster]

I have a 4 ohm SFBMR from 1971 with a 12" Celestion V30, pretty versatile for everything roots related.

 

[richa]

Ironically, we discussed stale booze and cigarette ashes (sarcastically) to relic that new cloth wire we had to use to clean up some of the internal mess, it looked very out of place!! No Mojo! Then we fired up wired to stock specs w/3prong cable and new filter caps...and destroyed the tone further after we shut her off and replaced the other big PIO caps. Maybe I should take this bag of blistering electrolytics and reinstall the mojo?

Hah. I prefer my mojo to be cosmetic. For electronics I like things that actually work. Oh gosh...did I just say that out loud?

 

[deytookerjaabs]

I have a 4 ohm SFBMR from 1971 with a 12" Celestion V30, pretty versatile for everything roots related.

I loved the one I played at a shop up north (kind of inspired this idea) which was an early silverface non reverb with a Weber Thames...but I never got the chance to turn it up too loud and see how it would respond.

 

[mctofuburger]

Warehouse Guitar Speakers? Nice sound, reasonable prices.

 

[SamClemons]

I had a bandmaster with Utahs in it. Put some celestion 70/80's in it. I thought it a very noticeable improvement.

 

[grolan1]

I've got two different 1x12 combo's that never were... 64 Tremolux and a 66 Bassman... the Tremolux has a Weber 12A150 (Alnico) 4 ohm 50 watt which I really love.. nice and warm. The Bassman has the Maverick Emenince with a built in speaker output volume adjustment. Great sounding speaker and love the volume control on it!

 

[deytookerjaabs]

I had a bandmaster with Utahs in it. Put some celestion 70/80's in it. I thought it a very noticeable improvement.

I really dig the Utah's tone but in the 2x12 format the sucker gets pretty lout before the grit hits, it's ALMOST there, but just taming the volume a bit and taking the edge off should do.

I've got two different 1x12 combo's that never were... 64 Tremolux and a 66 Bassman... the Tremolux has a Weber 12A150 (Alnico) 4 ohm 50 watt which I really love.. nice and warm. The Bassman has the Maverick Emenince with a built in speaker output volume adjustment. Great sounding speaker and love the volume control on it!

The ceramic 12F150 8ohm 50W but with a hemp cap was what I've been thinking about the past few days (plus a gold basket in back of that blonde combo!) it's just I don't know how much stress it may or may not put on the amp. It just goes so strongly against my usual double wattage + higher efficiency preference. But it might be perfect??

 

[srinivassa]

It should be noted that I am just answering this question for entertainment purposes. If it were me, I'd put a Eminence Wizard in there. I have been wanting to try that speaker on this kind of amp. It sounds very sparkly and has aggressive mids and tighter lows. It doesn't sound great to me on modern kind of gain sounds, but for clean and light overdrive, it really seems to shine.

As stated though, that's just what I'd do because I was wanting to try that speaker with something like a Fender re-issue. Probably several people will come along who have actually done it. And of course, I agree, there are a lot of good speakers at WGS. And there are a lot of speakers that are more classicly paired with Fender (Weber?). I'd give the Wizard its just opportunity to be added to my collection if it were me.

 

[RoyBGood]

Hemp Caps?? Heavy Doping?? Vintage/Modern?? Maybe soak it in the blood of my enemies for a few days???

I LOL'd at that line! - I've just had a Sh!tty day, so thanks!

FWIW, After much research, I once put an Eminence Private Jack in a Peavey Classic 30 and it was a huge improvement. The speaker sounded loose and broken-in out of the box and didn't have (to my ears) any particular unpleasant frequency 'spikes'. Long story, I don't have either now - a 1990 Kitty Hawk Junior is the main amp. It's a 50w 1x12 and if Eminence did an 80w-ish version of the PJ, I'd get one in there in a flash. I'll even go so far as to say it's got a sparkly 'alnico-ish' high end - without the $$$$ And the O/D is lovely and warm / woody. A fine speaker.

 

[deytookerjaabs]

It should be noted that I am just answering this question for entertainment purposes. If it were me, I'd put a Eminence Wizard in there. I have been wanting to try that speaker on this kind of amp. It sounds very sparkly and has aggressive mids and tighter lows. It doesn't sound great to me on modern kind of gain sounds, but for clean and light overdrive, it really seems to shine.

As stated though, that's just what I'd do because I was wanting to try that speaker with something like a Fender re-issue. Probably several people will come along who have actually done it. And of course, I agree, there are a lot of good speakers at WGS. And there are a lot of speakers that are more classicly paired with Fender (Weber?). I'd give the Wizard its just opportunity to be added to my collection if it were me.

There are those who find repetition obnoxious but others who call it "tradition"

'Tis my turn to inquire before playing speaker roulette.

Hemp Caps?? Heavy Doping?? Vintage/Modern?? Maybe soak it in the blood of my enemies for a few days???

I LOL'd at that line! - I've just had a Sh!tty day, so thanks!

FWIW, After much research, I once put an Eminence Private Jack in a Peavey Classic 30 and it was a huge improvement. The speaker sounded loose and broken-in out of the box and didn't have (to my ears) any particular unpleasant frequency 'spikes'. Long story, I don't have either now - a 1990 Kitty Hawk Junior is the main amp. It's a 50w 1x12 and if Eminence did an 80w-ish version of the PJ, I'd get one in there in a flash. I'll even go so far as to say it's got a sparkly 'anlnico-ish' high end - without the $$$$ And the O/D is lovely and warm / woody. A fine speaker.

Hmm, sounds like a good bet!

 

[jcss]

What circuit is your 61 Bandmaster?

I have a 62 Bandmaster (6G7A) , its SS rectified, very high plate volts at around 500 (but I run the amp at 105 wall volts or so).

My amp is very loud and punchy and sparkly....its very quick in response with a LOT of bottom end.

It sounds nothing like my 63 Tremolux which is a darker, thicker and softer in tone whereas the 62 Bandmaster has more in common with a Hiwatt!

I normally run it thru an 8 ohm 4x12....its as loud as my 71 Marshall Smallbox 50.

Whatever you run for a 1x12, make sure its a 75 watt or more speaker imo.

 

[DaveKS]

Well clearly you want a Organic Alnico, 94.9db, 35w/55max.
Hemp.

Whole line of new low efficiency Tone Tubbies.

http://www.siegmundguitars.com/tonetubby.html

 

[ndcaster]

organic speakers...

I've now seen it all

where do you buy them, "whole guitars"?

 

[Ringo]

Weber 12F150 four ohm is what I have in my 67 Bassman 1-12 combo and it sounds great. I had a Cannabis Rex in a Deluxe Reverb but that is a brighter amp, don't know that I'd like a hemp cone in the Bassman. Might sound good w the Bandmaster but don't think the CRex is available in 4 ohm.

 

[jcss]

I've got two different 1x12 combo's that never were... 64 Tremolux and a 66 Bassman... the Tremolux has a Weber 12A150 (Alnico) 4 ohm 50 watt which I really love.. nice and warm. The Bassman has the Maverick Emenince with a built in speaker output volume adjustment. Great sounding speaker and love the volume control on it!

How would you describe the tone of the Eminence Maverick?

 

[jcss]

I really dig the Utah's tone but in the 2x12 format the sucker gets pretty lout before the grit hits, it's ALMOST there, but just taming the volume a bit and taking the edge off should do.




The ceramic 12F150 8ohm 50W but with a hemp cap was what I've been thinking about the past few days (plus a gold basket in back of that blonde combo!) it's just I don't know how much stress it may or may not put on the amp. It just goes so strongly against my usual double wattage + higher efficiency preference. But it might be perfect??

Do you have an 8 ohm output transformer as in my 62 Bandmaster (which is a 125A7A)?

I would go with a higher power voice coil if you order a Weber 12F150.

The typical 6G7 Blonde Bandmaster has a sealed cabinet fwiw....my 62 Bandmaster is a tone ring 1x12 sealed cabinet, not a semi open cabinet as in later Fenders.

 

[grolan1]

How would you describe the tone of the Eminence Maverick?

It's a very typical Fender sounding speaker, to my ears a speaker from the early to mid 60's in a lot of the combo Fender amps. Not a modern sounding speaker, more vintage. I am actually thinking of getting another one.