It's really nice to get honest feedback

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  1. Moriarty

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    Last month I played my first gig in a long time and it went well. I did screw up, but it really was no big deal. Still rusty. At the same time, I feel like my friends were just blowing smoke and overdoing it with "you were great!" Like they were being a little bit too encouraging because I hadn't done it in forever and we all know I should be doing it more.
    Cut to last night, when I had dinner with one of my oldest friends who had been at the show. She told me that I was good - but not great. And she said if she had one criticism it was not to make faces when I screw up, because it flagged up mistakes and looked bad.
    I really appreciated that. Not even my girlfriend was that honest.
     
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    Did you have fun? That's what really counts. Improvement is great, but don't focus so much on the performance that you forget to have fun!
     
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    I did have fun. I immediately wanted to do it again.
     
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    issues , never happen the same way twice , and the only way to improve is to play more , and as noted have fun with it , even if you botch a note , there is a famous video of Hendrix singing and he forgot the lyrics so he sang the second verse first , then went on to announce ,yeah i screwed up and sang the song with the correct verse order , do you think anyone noticed? probably not .
     
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  5. Mike Eskimo

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    On stage?

    Never apologize

    Never look angry/stinkfaced after a bandmate’s clam

    No mistake-signaling of any kind

    Never invite girlfriend/significant other onstage to play tambourine or sing or anything without clearing it with band mates first

    No shorts

    No sandals

    Normal Key West/Hawaii rules apply though...
     
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    Remember the performance factor too. Let the audience know you're having fun up there.
     
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    memorex Friend of Leo's

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    Actually, the idea is to make faces all the time. Then, no one knows when you screw up. And especially when you bend a note. It makes it look like it's much harder to do than it is.
     
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    On the subject of making mistakes while playing (not my words but I agree):

    When playing live with a band, you have a lot going on at the same time. So mistakes may be masked by the rest of the band. Most importantly though, is that you roll with it. Not just from the perspective that mistakes can still work, but that if you let it get to you, you are more likely to make more mistakes.
     
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    Make a mistake a second time, and its part of the performance.

    Have fun. Did you get paid "play it perfect" money or something? :)
     
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    When one of our band members makes a mistake we just say, "let's cut down on the Jazz notes".
     
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    People in Florida don't really car about the band; they just wanna get drunk, smoke cigarettes, and get laid. They wouldn't notice if you went onstage naked, and are very musically ignorant. So we do what we want; if one of us makes a mistake, we laugh & joke about right there onstage. No one notices or cares.
     
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    OK, Moriarty. I'm just gonna tell you straight. You suck. ;)

    Kidding of course, and I screw up something or other every time I play. My only goal is to continue to try to do it less and have fun - and for everybody to tell me I'm great.
     
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    You’re lucky to have a friend like that. I totally agree with her, btw.
     
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    Regarding Hendrix making a mistake......"....do you think anyone noticed?".....maybe, but did anyone CARE? Probably not! ;)
     
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    As an actor, an early and important lesson was that the audience is not holding a script, so as long as you don’t wave an “I screwed up” flag, you’re ahead of the game. Not 100% applicable to music, but still worth remembering.

    Make a mistake a third time, and it’s jazz!
     
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    Sometimes it's a Good thing, Girlfriends aren't that honest;):D
     
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    i did it this way;If i had a recording of the band i was a member of..I would play it but not'' inform '' it was the band i was in etc. & play it to people i did NOT know.=More honest criticism resulting just because.& take heed of their criticism. The truth IS the truth not''stroking Ego time!''
    friends WILL butter-Strangers NOT SO!

    When..auditioning for [a]band etc etc.
    I'd arrive & set up etc but then....Sit in the 'audience' area [DELIBERATELY]
    I would ask group x to play=I would listen to them first 'Live!
    of course they would play there 'Favourite' song!Id ask them to=This gives me a chance to mentally 'Improvise' my 'Part!=Lead gtr.& they play there fav song at their best etc.
    When they had completed etc.. i'd respond Great[EVEN IF NOT!]
    Now play your next favourite song etc=They would 'Enthusiastically' play it etc.
    Again i would assess etc & mentally learn the basic structure Melodically etc.

    So in doing all this i Assessed their 'song 'writing,their musical ability,their musical Weaknesses & strengths AND simultaneously..approx work out a suitable gtr solo.A Mins in length etc etc.
    so i auditioned THEM...in 2 songs etc....
    when it then come to 'me' now being assessed=I already had a simple solo to apply etc.with advantage=i had a rough idea for the solo.
     
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  18. hollowman

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    don't sweat it. a wise local musician once told me to never overestimate your audience. This has served me well!
     
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    If memory serves, this is from the liner notes of Sloan's live record: "If you screw up in the middle of a show, just do the same "wrong" thing again on purpose the next bar/measure and people will think you're "jamming.""

    Sage advice there.
     
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  20. schmee

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    That's some good feedback that you don't often get! I used to have a sax player that loved to talk between songs... about the mistakes, or bad ending etc. Grrrr!
     
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