is this action too high and if so how to fix it

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  1. grantbeddell

    grantbeddell NEW MEMBER!

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    So I just upgraded my squire mustang bridge to a Bigsby copy and wondering if this action is too high and if it is how can I fix it. I have no problems playing it but am wondering what will happen to the neck if I keep it this high. I included pictures hoping to help yall figure out an answer
     

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  2. teleplayr

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    It's way too high.

    It's hard to suggest a remedy without seeing it in person.
     
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    It's way too high.

    I would shim the neck. Can"t see any other solution. Take the neck off and see if there is anything in the pocket tilting it the wrong way.
     
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    Way too high.

    It looks like the tunomatic style bridge you used has too much height for the current neck angle - it's an easy enough fix but you'll have to remove the neck and add a shim or two to get enough pitch to work with the bridge.

    A good way to get the pitch right first time is to take the strings off, check that the neck is fairly straight then unscrew and put your shim in place. Hold the neck so it's firmly sat in the pocket over the shim and use a long ruler laid along the length to extend down to the bridge - that way you can see whether the strings are going to line up where you want them without having to put the strings back on, so there's less trial and error. Ideally you want the ruler to rest against the top of the bridge when it's adjusted to it's lowest point, then once you have the strings on you'll raise the bridge up a few mm to set the action and everything should dial in nicely.
     
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    Was the action this high before you started your mods?

    Two other things...
    1. It's 'Squier', not 'Squire' - some of us Squier owners get a bit precious about it, haha!
    2. Welcome to TDPRI! See - your life is better already!!
     
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    aaahm YES!
    The Bigsby must be way lower (strings) than the bridge.
    So when you just lower the TOM, the pressure on the saddles is gonna be too low. That'll cause big problems like strings jumping out when you bend them etc....

    With that in mind,try to adjust the TOM es low as possible and use a shim under the neck to get the strings closer to the neck
     
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    Shim the neck. Stewmac do full-pocket neck shims in either 0.25deg or 0.5deg - I'd get one of both, and start with the 0.25deg one, although you may need the 0.5deg one or even combine both. They're around $8 each, but worth it I think

    Here they are:
    https://www.stewmac.com/tonewoods/s...itar-necks/stewmac-neck-shims-for-guitar.html

    It's easy enough to make one yourself, but for the sake of $20 the convenience of using these is worth it. They're full-pocket as well, rather than a simple shim at the end which can end up distorting the neck
     
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    Yeah start with the bridge. Neck shims are great if you have started midway but since you’re at the beginning...adjust what you can first. Lower the bridge/saddles first.
     
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    Either adjust as suggested or get a slide
     
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    You want about 1/16" between the bottom of your strings and the top of the 15th fret.

    If after lowering the bridge all the way, you're still high you need to remove the neck and add a shim to the butt end to adjust the angle. You can cut business cards up to make your shims. If you want to give your neck full support, you can then buy the StewMac shims, or make your own tapered shims if you're handy. Remember each business card will have a thickness of .008", so once you're happy with the action, you can count 'em up (one or two is usually more than enough), multiply by .008" and know what thickness you need.

    Don't forget, if you end up a little too low, the bridge can come up!
     
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    Might want to check the neck relief with a straight edge as well while your at it, looks like there might be more there than necessary but kinda hard to tell by the photos.
     
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    Just cut 1/4in off the ends of business cards and stick under the heel of the neck.

    Business cards are made of paper which is made from wood -- so your tone will all be ok.


    Look up guitar setup youtube videos by Frudua, Daves World Of Fun Stuff, and Sam Deeks.

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    Such a weird word. To spell it correctly, you have to misspell it.
     
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    It's not a misspelling. The name is that of an English violin maker who emigrated to the USA in the late 19th century... after that it gets complicated, but it's a fascinating story, and I am pleased to have this name on my tele's headstock.
     
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    The action...is too damn high!


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    I hadn't thought of that!

    I learned from a machinist friend of mine that paper doesn't compress. Or maybe it explodes under extreme pressure before it compresses.

     
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    Looks like a neck shim may be in your future. I just used some old business cards in the last one I did. I know some people will roll their eyes, but it worked perfect.
     
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    Thanks for the help neck shim worked perfect
     

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    I used one of the Stewmac shims on my MIJ custom Tele. w/Bigsby. That did the trick!
     
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    +1 check the relief first.
     
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