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Is this a 1965 Fender Champ?

Discussion in 'Amp Central Station' started by AJ Love, Oct 5, 2016.

  1. AJ Love

    AJ Love Friend of Leo's

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    Trying to figure out how to validate the year of manufacture of a Fender Champ. Seller has changed out the speaker and upgraded to 3 prong cord

    Any help you can provide is much appreciated

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    Can you see the tube chart sticker inside the cab? Also, what is the serial number?

    This is a 'rough guide' for BF Champ serial numbers:

    Champ AA764 (blackface)
    A00100 to A02000 - 1964
    A01900 to A05200 - 1965
    A05200 to A12000 - 1966
    A12000 to A12200 - 1967
     
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    Early '65 didn't get a logo on the grille.

    Condition is everything on these with "Grab all you can get!" pricing dictating that amps with condition issues or changed parts are offered for the same price as "untouched originals".

    Having said that the best place for the original power transformer is in a baggie not in the amp.
     
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    Thanks very much for the replies. Serial Number is A 10076


    Does that mean this isn't a '65?
     
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    muchxs Doctor of Teleocity

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    Serial number over 10,000 makes it a '66.

    I put together a fantastic '66 a few years ago. I got the chassis from a guy who started parting the amp when the inevitable bias network failure munched the 6V6 putting the amp out of commission.

    Cabinet and speaker were long gone.

    NOooooo! :eek:

    I got a '66 cabinet that had been that had been screwed to a garage wall in Atlanta for most of its life, a field expedient home for a 6"x9" speaker.

    Tube chart was even nice.

    Combine them...

    I have a December '64 cabinet in my stash right now. I'm sure a December '64 chassis will show up sooner or later.
     
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    Serial # says 1966 . Is there a two-letter code written or stamped on the tube chart?
    Do you have the EIA code stamped on the transformers?
    That would help narrow it down assuming they're original.
     
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    Thanks! I will ask. Haven't seen it in person yet, so far communicating w/ seller via email
     
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    What do you recommend for a replacement power transformer? How much does the replacement cost? What is the improvement found in replacing the power transformer? Questions! I got 'em
     
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    muchxs Doctor of Teleocity

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    I just took a look at closed listings on eBay. Top dollar seems to be the one that sold for a grand in NYC while bottom dollar is the one that sold for $401 in nearby Yonkers back in July.

    I'd laugh my ass off if it was the same amp.

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    Suit yourself but I don't like seeing nonsense like this inside. Yeah it's a Vibro but same concept. Quicky "Git 'er done!" repairs are the basis for "The Unreliable Tube Amps" Urban Legend and the market's penchant for untouched original amps.
     
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    muchxs Doctor of Teleocity

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    I don't mind a changed power transformer. While we're at it I like to find amps dead on the side of the road. They certainly don't come any cheaper!

    I prefer more current, less voltage. There are quick 'n' dirty ways to drop the voltage. Ya got what ya got as far as current goes if you retain the stock transformer.

    While these amps have a reputation for being "bulletproof", I've seen enough cooked ones to tell you otherwise.

    Substantially reducing the supply voltage dramatically increases tube life. That will be an asset in a decade or so when Russian Tung Sol "reissues" are all we have left.
     
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    Cute. My offer is $350 US.
     
  12. AJ Love

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    His listed price is $500. Obviously I'd need to talk him down from $500
     
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