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Discussion in 'Amp Central Station' started by wick001, Aug 17, 2020.
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MY favorite Marshall Fender and Vox sounds are not found in a single amp mostly because they are each power section and speaker related, not just a preamp based sound.
I have a hard time getting my fave Marshall sounds from most Marshall’s and no BF or SF amps sound like a Super Reverb except a super reverb with CTS alnicos.
Didn't Mesa's Nomad series try to do that exactly, with three channels? And what about a Marshall TSL?
Yeah, the Egnater Tweaker is probably closest to what the OP is looking for, but there won't be an exact match. The reason tube amps sound so different is because of the circuits, and a tube amp that could cover all that ground would be the size of a car. Marshall is a particularly unique sound - lots of amps can do the mid-gain thing, but there's just something about that tone.
My HT Club 40 with a Celestion Vintage 30 covers both the Fender and Marshall ground very well. Not so much on the Vox-y tones IMO.
The 3rd Power Kitchen Sink http://3rdpower.com/kitchen-sink-6vel/ does what the OP asks. I've heard it, it's spectacular. Starts around $3000.
That looks interesting, if it actually does what it says. I've got two amps that theoretically do all 3. Both of them do 2 well.
For 3 large, would I be better off buying two amps?
So that's about $1,000 per amp it can simulate.... You know what I'm thinking.....
I had a egnater tweaker, really disliked that amp. Also had the vengeance and one other egnater I can’t remember the model, but really disliked every egnater I had.
I had a black star HT5 head when they first came out and that really didn’t do anything for me either. Maybe their newer combos are better?
That Laney IRT30 looks really interesting. I played a Hughes and Kettner tube Meister once I was pretty impressed with that. It just kind of looked gimmicky with the blue lights.
I’m interested in that Mesa Triple Crown or possibly in a PRS archon combo
I've played some of the amps that claim to have "all the voicings" like Egnater Tweaker and the Blackstar line. Never liked any of them, perhaps because I hadn't found the various sweet spots - but it should not be hard to get a good modern amp to sound good.
My Allen Accomplice Jr does Fender cleans AND a very nice midrangey-tweedy thing that can absolutely get chimey. It also sounds great just about anywhere you set it. It is a great sound, but I can't say it's the spitting image of anything else. But it has 6l6s and an American-voiced speaker in an open cabinet, among other things, so I am not surprised it can't replicate a classic Vox or a Marshall.
If you really want all three, maybe you're looking for a modelling solution like the Strymon Iridium?
The closest to “all of the above” realistically is....S/S.
Roland’s Blues Cube Artist.
Listen to Michael Casswell* on youtube doing the demo, that currently is as close as you’re going to get IMHO.
* Guitar Interactive - a tremendous source.
the mesa mark series covers a lot of ground. it's one of the only amps i've ever played that i think is totally at home playing trad surf and country that you could also use in a grind band. don't know if that's marshall sounding, but it does metal credibly.
Any Marshall 1974x or any vintage style Marshall for that matter ,any decent Tweed Deluxe or any Fender tweed style amp , any decent AC15-AC30 (or clone ,"inspired by" like Matchless,Bad Cat,Dr.Z) will have amazing cleans when played at reasonable volume (I don't know what you mean by "Fender cleans" since there are so many of them) great "roar" when turned up all the way and a very nice "crunch" when turned up significantly.
It ain't exactly rocket science using the volume knob on an amp.
My Mesa MKIII with R2 volume mod and its EQ can dial in anything. Foundation is Fender and if you boost the bluesy R2 channel with a microamp you get into classic Marshall tones.... and then there is a load of range on the high gain controls and with EQ to model scooped mids or upper spike Vox tones. The presence control is also very powerful - goes from warm and jazzy/fusion to fiery bright. I can run in Class A with 6L6 or EL34. I have a mix of both in mine at the moment.
It ain’t tube and it ain’t powered but this box is supposed to cover the 3 amps in the Op Quest.
The Genz Benz Black Pearl does a nice job with all 3, but it's not foot switchable, and it's got a funky reverb (that I like) and an line level Effects loop - so it's a bit of an odd amp.
As @codamedia mentions the different speakers have a big impact. I think one issue with the desire to have everything in one amp is that even among Fenders there is good better and best - and that changes player to player, and IMO no Fender covers all of their bases either. Which Marshall?
In the end I'll stick with one amp that really does the thing that's most important to me, and compromise on others.
I've got a Marshall JCM 800 and a few Fenders. I use the GB for Voxy-ness, but I actually like it's Fendery settings best.
This is the solution. And on a budget, the Mesa TA-30 does a pretty good job too. The Kitchen Sink is amazing and now that the new 6vel model is coming out, you may be able to get a decent deal on the original model, which has everything you are looking for, just less features.
Yup, pretty much... I would just add the guitar's volume knob as well as a useful tool (like in the Bonamassa video).
Realistically, a lot of people will get good results with a cleanish fender amp and a 'Marshall in a box' type pedal for heavier moments.
Again, sorry to OP for not really answering your question.
Yep, OP specified no pedals but a DLSIII or SL Drive and a Tech21 Liverpool or even the Joyo AC tone along with the 68VRSF would get there in a hurry, more versatile in terms of settings/volume and sound great. Kinda what pedals were invented for, lol, but i get the guys that want the tone from the amp.
I have a Marshall JVM 410H with Celestion Creamback 65’s. It’s my only marshall. Pretty much been a Fender guy having a Tony Bruno Princeton, 67 Super Reverb, Modded Bassman 50 and 3 Twin Reverbs. The marshall Clean green is very clean like a Twin and the master volume let’s you dial back the volume to very low levels and still sound great. From playing around with the amp for the past 9 years, installing solid output tubes, like the preferred series from the tube store, biased properly make a big difference. Also get with a variety of preamp tubes to fill in the sound character and gain. This amp really gives you everything from Beatles to Black Sabbath at low volume to wall shaking ones. Pretty much my favorite amp now.