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Is the local charm gone, everywhere?

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Downshift, Feb 28, 2021.

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  1. getbent

    getbent Telefied Silver Supporter

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    I remember going to Sedona in the 70s. About 6 years ago, I moved my mother in law from Sedona to Jackson, CA. My wife worked at the fry bread place during college.... summers in college, I worked construction in Phoenix and my closest friend's mom, would escape with her girlfriends to Sedona and I thought that was kind of hokey.

    Where I live has not been gentrified, yet. It is a little mission town and not much has changed. They added 80 houses or so in the past year, but we don't even have a 7-11.

    The answer to the question is no. Not all towns have lost their charm. But, the old ones with charm get ruined as they get 'discovered' so, you have to keep moving. Holbrook is a cool little town. There are tons of them. Heck, a place like Eureka, Nv could be cool the way that 'up north Az' used to be.

    But, you have to move out further... I think it would be fun to move to some almost ghost town in the dakotas with 5-10 friends and the gentrify the heck out of it... restore, bring it back... knowing... it would become a destination and get ruined.

    it is what we do as humans... we always self destruct after we construct. Build it up, tear it down.
     
  2. rand z

    rand z Friend of Leo's

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    I know a few places that are still really cool.

    But, I'm not tellin'...
     
  3. Old Plank

    Old Plank Tele-Afflicted Gold Supporter

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    Hear ya on that, OP .... I cringe every time I see a magazine cover or internet article that says something like, "10 Unknown Hidden Gem Destinations For Your Vacation", and you know the locals are cringing way more.
     
  4. StrangerNY

    StrangerNY Friend of Leo's Gold Supporter

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    I've learned one thing going to places I'm not from - follow the locals.

    Someone could come to where I live and see one big over-developed monstrosity of commercialism, but I can take them to 10 spots that they'd entirely miss if someone didn't show it to them.

    The charm is still there, it's just hiding behind the glitz.

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    When I graduated High School, the world's population was around 3.5 billion. Today, it's over 7.6 billion. Unfortunately, most of those souls have moved to Ft Worth. ( :()
    But seriously, I see so many problems in our country AND the world, and yet virtually all of suggested solutions address everything EXCEPT population as what needs fixing.
     
  6. getbent

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    Is it greed or just people wanting their spot in that place and being willing to pay for it. My mom lives on the island and we kind of grieved when they tore Buddy Ebsen's place down... but, we also figured, everyone should shape their own dream.. Buddy isn't here anymore... why not have what you want?

    I agree that Newport is not the great place it was when I was a kid... I remember my dad stopping on pch where a row of woodies would be selling smoked fish out the back. The tahoe and anaheim I knew as a kid were idyllic. No more. BUT, other places have taken their place, you just have to look.
     
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    When I was 10 years old, the US population was 210 million. Today it is over 330 million and still growing. And it is, on average, older than it was then and people have more money to spend than they used to. Just sayin.
     
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    When it comes to dinner, follow the local old folks to their supper clubs, steak houses, etc.
    And sometimes the VFWs and church dinners come into play here, too.
    The bluehairs tend to know they don't have time to waste on anything than a known good dinner
     
  9. rcole_sooner

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    I really can't say ... we've moved to downtown OKC which I am sure is much less crowded than before the lock down. That probably means less traffic, less places able to be open and/or serving like they used too. Probably a lot less bands playing in local taverns. I know a lot less NBA traffic. And no celebrations like New Years. But that has let us enjoy the place without super huge crowds. That has added some charm for us.

    The big question is ... has it led to a false sense of how much we think we like living downtown. I never would have thought I'd like it. But I gotta say, the out-the-door access to running trails, restaurants and such is intoxicating.

    We are loving it. And we're pretty sure we can't wait for things to get back to normal ... or close as they will.
     
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    If you think everything is bad now ....

    ...wait until tomorrow, next week, next month and next year.
     
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    The world is becoming an increasingly smaller place. Islands and villages I used find quiet and out of the way have become tourist traps or are over grown with the rich that the local and common folk are displaced. Mega yachts, private jets are more common now than ever before.
    St John is a prime example. Virgin Gorda and Tortola cater to the masses. Foxy’s, Sydney’s Peace & Love, Soggy Dollar, William Thornton, and Pusser’s Landing are nothing what they were 10-15 years ago.

    I’m sure there are still places that have retained the local charm but I’m hard pressed to think of any outside of some of the small Cays in the Tobago Cays. My favorite day trip was a hike up to top of Mayboya. A breathtaking view of unspoiled dots of land and the expanse of the Caribbean. On the walk up there were a some ruins and 3-4 rum shops. My favorite had a hand painted sign the read “licensed to sell intoxicated beverages”
     
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    I was there in either 1996 or 1997. It was one of the most amazing places I have ever experienced. There is definitely something to hiking in the Vortex! I can only imagine growing up there must have been absolutely incredible. Hopefully it hasn't changed to much since I been there.

    I do remember going into a guitar shop there, it was a guys name. Like Joe's guitars and guns" or something like that. I have to get out there again.
     
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    I grew up in Lancaster County, PA in the 50's-80's.

    It was a sleepy, slow, Amish/Mennonite farm community in the 50's-60's.

    Then, mid 60's, they built a large resort hotel complex and an amusement park and peeps from NYC, Jersey, Phila and DC started showing up.

    A tourist board and info center followed.

    Then, THE MALL and factory outlets soon followed.

    The Amish held fast and kept their land (even though it was, and is, worth millions) and still farmed.

    But, huge tract housing and developments swept in and corporations bought the land that the Amish didn't own.

    Then corporate developers charged in and built humongous retirement communities and huge hospital complexes to keep the retirees alive and spending their money.

    It's still growing and filling up with everything imaginable including:

    -more restaurants than are in some entire states.

    -strip malls everywhere and still growing.

    -large grocery chains like Wegemans and Whole Foods etc.

    -even more hospital complexes and retirement communities.

    -and, more tourist attractions.

    Now, the back roads that ran through the farms pastures by quiet streams, that were once in the middle of nowhere...

    ...are now congested with peeps trying desperately to find a faster, less congested way home from work.

    Years ago, it was a relaxing ride home, for shedding the days work activities before dinner.

    Now, it's a confused and crazy nightmare of a drive...peeps everywhere.

    Progress?

    The young ones will never know.
     
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    part of the thing is there is a sense of 'growing things' that people have. In the western world, being content with making or doing what you do isn't sustainable, the underlying expectation is that you will 'grow' the business. So, for locals, if they have a home worth 50K and it will stay being worth 50k, some will feel stuck. For business owners in the towns you mention, they LOVE the mention and surety that folks will be coming and keep coming.

    It is the growth mindset that causes all of it. It is weird, but as long as that mindset underlies all things... it will continue.
     
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    Took my daughter there on our way to the Grand Canyon in 1997. Stunningly beautiful.

    The same could be said of many places. I lived in Fort Lauderdale for years and it was a large city and is even bigger now. Friends of mine who were natives talked about when it was just a sleepy resort area.
    I imagine Native Americans felt the same way as you do and the early settlers the same. It’s the story of America “progress” and prosperity.
    It has nothing to do with charm. It’s the current human condition. The loss of “charm” is from the anonymity of the internet with has brought rudeness, belligerent, false machismo to every day life. Its loss is due to indifference, lack of mutual respect, etc. Folks need to calm down.
     
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    Definitely that is true, living here in a half-fishing/half-tourist town I do understand that necessity ... and with a relatively short summer season. the tourist season bucks need to happen within an annual 4 month or less period.
     
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    Too many people in positions of authority depend on massive growth for their livelihoods. Real estate brokers, builders, manufacturers, etc will stagnate and wither without a constant influx of new people.
    Ever read The Hitch Hikers's Guide to the Galaxy? Remember the Golgafrinchins? They knew how to get rid of the useless 1/3 of their population. ;)
     
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    This used to be a quaint, out of the way spot.

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    Thoughtless consumption and those whose sole aim is to capitalize on it are the ruin of so many cool places. It's like people who buy a house because it's "charming" and then set about removing or destroying eveything they thought was charming.
     
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