azureglo
Tele-Meister
So I mistakenly suggested something posted here might have been AI ( and wasn’t ) but it got me thinking. We ( the K-pop house I work for) get a lot of demos from aspiring songwriters. wannabe stars etc and since Suno et al launched, the quality (& quantity) have gone through the roof. Everything is slick in execution, in perfect tune , perfectly quantised and Spotify ready mastered.
So we have a tool to check if we’re listening to AI or human talent and recently on Squiertalk a chap (or girl) posted a song that sounded like a commercial release. BTW said individual claims to have been banned here for using SoundCloud…That said the stuff he (or she) was posting a year ago was nowhere near as good so I ran “her “track through Submithub and voila:
Now its nowhere near 100% accurate but as a control I ran one of my song demos through it ( which uses an AI modified vocal, i.e. me singing but made to sound to like a girl) and it returned this as I’d expect.
So back to the AI poster, it can’t tell whether the singer is AI and the “band” is real or the other way but its definitely not human created and performed . Either way “Pamelas Pants” as she/he/they call themselves are definitely not what they claim to be…
So on a guitar forum is it ok to use AI created songs and say you “played” them? The recent Velvet Sundown furore and Spotify admitting to using “Ghost Artists” to fill out playlists has died down but is it OK on a guitar players forum to pass off AI created songs as your own work?
Now I’ll come clean I use AI very heavily: Synthesiser V and Vocoflex for my song demos, creating guides for IRL singers, even occasionally doing BVs for released tracks. But although its AI singing, the composition is my own i.e. every note and syllable has been created, by me,Syn V simply sings my words at the pitch and tempo I tell it to. E.g.
Recently one of the label execs pointed out my AI created guide vocals sounded a lot better that the actual performance by the singer on an upcoming release: War broke out in the studio and folk almost came to blows until we compromised and double tracked the IRL singer with my AI created vocal and mixed the two. The execs view was to use my AI vocal and then add the real singers “voice print” ( Vocoflex) which TBH sounded a lot better but not my call.
Then we have folk here who will use something like Audimee to create vocals for their original songs. Which I think is totally valid and in a way similar to, what we “pro” songwriters do with our AI singers. But not if Audimee came up with the vocal melody for your words, then surely it wrote that melody, not you?
The real dilemma is when the guitar, bass etc parts are played by AI or the whole song is created by AI and passed off as an original that the poster claims to have performed and composed: Is this something folks are ok with?
So we have a tool to check if we’re listening to AI or human talent and recently on Squiertalk a chap (or girl) posted a song that sounded like a commercial release. BTW said individual claims to have been banned here for using SoundCloud…That said the stuff he (or she) was posting a year ago was nowhere near as good so I ran “her “track through Submithub and voila:
Now its nowhere near 100% accurate but as a control I ran one of my song demos through it ( which uses an AI modified vocal, i.e. me singing but made to sound to like a girl) and it returned this as I’d expect.
So back to the AI poster, it can’t tell whether the singer is AI and the “band” is real or the other way but its definitely not human created and performed . Either way “Pamelas Pants” as she/he/they call themselves are definitely not what they claim to be…
So on a guitar forum is it ok to use AI created songs and say you “played” them? The recent Velvet Sundown furore and Spotify admitting to using “Ghost Artists” to fill out playlists has died down but is it OK on a guitar players forum to pass off AI created songs as your own work?
Now I’ll come clean I use AI very heavily: Synthesiser V and Vocoflex for my song demos, creating guides for IRL singers, even occasionally doing BVs for released tracks. But although its AI singing, the composition is my own i.e. every note and syllable has been created, by me,Syn V simply sings my words at the pitch and tempo I tell it to. E.g.
Recently one of the label execs pointed out my AI created guide vocals sounded a lot better that the actual performance by the singer on an upcoming release: War broke out in the studio and folk almost came to blows until we compromised and double tracked the IRL singer with my AI created vocal and mixed the two. The execs view was to use my AI vocal and then add the real singers “voice print” ( Vocoflex) which TBH sounded a lot better but not my call.
Then we have folk here who will use something like Audimee to create vocals for their original songs. Which I think is totally valid and in a way similar to, what we “pro” songwriters do with our AI singers. But not if Audimee came up with the vocal melody for your words, then surely it wrote that melody, not you?
The real dilemma is when the guitar, bass etc parts are played by AI or the whole song is created by AI and passed off as an original that the poster claims to have performed and composed: Is this something folks are ok with?
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