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Is Gortex a miracle fabric or all hype?

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Warren01, Apr 13, 2021.

  1. Warren01

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    So, about 10 years ago I was planning an European vacation and wanted some kind of light jacket that could handle the rain. I drank the cool-aid and ended up buying a (expensive), branded Gortex Jacket and had the chance to use it extensively. The fabric is noisy, kinda rough against the skin and sorta works . .. . I think. I could see water beading on it, but my skin still felt cold and clammy. After a while, dark spots would appear, indication water soaking thru. Zippered up, it got hot quickly. Also, if it got windy, you felt it. Found out you also have to treat it periodically, with some special spray and wash it often, with special soap. Got me wondering if its the spray that's important rather than the actual material. Anyways, not that impressed considering the cost. After a few years, the jacket developed some bubbling in the material, and true to their word, the company sent me a free replacement. This new jacket has the same qualities, so its not a "one-off". I'm wondering if all this hype is just that. Hype. I don't think I would ever buy another Gortex jacket and just stick with something actually waterproof and deal with the ventilation issue. Also, having a waterproof jacket does nothing to keep your pants dry in a rain storm. Curious what other people's opinions are?
     
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    What company? I’m just saying a guy could build a really crappy guitar out of totally top shelf parts. I’ve seen it many times.

    I don’t know what kind of jacket you have so I can’t comment on it. I can tell you I hate having wet feet. It’s about my least favorite thing in the world. So when I’m camping, backpacking, shoveling snow, or just dealing with the north coast winters, I wear boots with Gortex in ‘em. And they work, man. I’ve been using gortex lined boots for backpacking since the 90’s. It’s good stuff.

    But like the aforementioned guitar, just because the company you’re dealing with uses gortex, doesn’t mean they’re making a quality product with it.
     
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    not a miracle, not all hype. it will soak through after a while at points of stress, usually around the wrists or where your pack straps rest. and it's imperfectly breathable. if you're planning on just standing around, a completely waterproof fabric will work better. I have an old sea-kayaking anorak that I wear to fish in the rain sometimes -- completely waterproof, neoprene gaskets at wrist and neck -- and you will just plain not get wet in that thing.

    when you start moving, it's a different story. if I wore that anorak for a walk in the hills, I would soak out completely from sweat. this is where goretex and equivalents come into their own, when you start moving. these jackets are breathable enough and waterproof enough to keep you comfortable. I like Event better than goretex -- just as waterproof, breathes a lot better -- but I use mine all the time.
     
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    I have a GoreTex branded lined ski jacket that I really like from back in the mid 1990s. It's very light weight, blocks the wind well, and is lined enough to be quite warm in winter. The GoreTex layer is in the middle of three or four layers (outer shell, GoreTex layer, poly fill, inner lining), and I never noticed any noise from it different than other jackets. Could the noise of your jacket be from something else about it?

    Also I have some waterproof Merrill Moab boots with their (or someone else's) version of GoreTex. They work well, too, definitely very water resistant at least compared to my older non-waterproof Moabs.
     
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    I have a decent pair of regatta walking shoes that get a liberal spray with tec 7 a couple of times per year.
     
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    I've been pretty happy with ours, wife and I kept both of our jackets after we got out of the service. Think we got them in '95 or so... it's durable if nothing else.
     
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    Yep it works.. I did a lot of big mountaineering and winter ice climbing/ski touring in the past. Specialised Berghaus gear mainly.

    Depends on the design.

    I had all the expensive breathable goretex gear as soon as it became available. The outer later will get dark with moisture but the bonded goretex lining will keep that water out. Of all the breathable fabrics I’ve used, it is the best.

    the noises will be the other fabrics.. goretex is a super thin rubber like sheet in a laminate, not the whole material. Most of my gear had a mesh or taffeta lining to keep it soft inside.

    Unless you have tried old school waterproofs to know what it is like to be wrapped in a soaking sweaty plastic bag, you can’t really know how much better it is.

    i had a single skin GoreTex tent that was for high altitude use and have some gotetex bivi bags for snow-holing. I wake up dry in them even if I wear wet clothes going to sleep... good enough for me.

    If you get wet legs, get goretex overtrousers.
     
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    The outer nylon layer that covers the goretex is usually coated with a waterproof beading agent. That coating is the first thing to wear out. Then the nylon absorbs water, and the shell will get heavy from the water weight, but unless you have holes or tears in the goretex, the goretex layer still remains water proof. You can buy spray on waterproofer for the outer nylon, or they make one that you put in the wash and wash the jacket. You can also just use spray on Scotchguard which will cause the nylon to bead water again. Just because the outer nylon absorbs water does not mean that the goretex is leaking or bad.
     
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    I've worn other types of material for my outdoor jackets, but I prefer Goretex, if I can afford it at the time! Like any outer layer, you still need to wear a warmer layer underneath. I've also found Goretex to be more breathable than the competition. The other thing is that although expensive, that expense has no relation to longevity.
     
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    Different manufacturers of Goretex gear got different results. 30 years later, I still don't know of a treatment that repels liquid water but allows water vapor to gas off. I'm still pissed when The Authorities put the kibosh on Goretex tents. These are for experts only, people. Of course teen agers or drunks will set such a tent on fire - what else is new?
     
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    Arc'teryx is the company I was talking about.
     
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    My Gore-Tex hiking boots keep my feet dry, until I step into a pond.
     
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    When I rode motorcycles all day, all year round, I wore Goretex/Goretex-clone lined gloves, boots and jacket come the wet/cold days( with normal waterproof overtrousers atop leather jeans ) and stayed toasty and dry without a build up of noxious body sweat.
    Not all hype. If it can keep a biker dry at motorway speeds in the siling down, stair-rod rain, it must be good.
    The outer layer would get sodden eventually, but the worst I'd get was slightly damp toes and elbow creases and some creep around the glove/jacket interface.
    The material is very good. How it is implemented matters.
     
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    I love Goretex! I have had very good results with it. It took me about 20 years to wear out a top of the line LL Bean Goretex shell, but I wore that shell pretty much everyday from October through April for 20 years. I still have it and wear it as a beater jacket now.

    Follow the care instructions, they do work.
     
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    Goretex is good stuff. Problem with jackets is all the joins / seams. They need to be sealed with special tape or water is going to get past the stitching.
     
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    So, arc’teryx not Gore Tex?

    Like Jay Turser not Fender?

    The actual stuff is a bit of a fine line but if ice climbing or that sort of thing it will save your butt and possibly your life compared to getting soaked by exterior water or interior moisture.

    Consumer versions or copies of targeted use extreme weather gear could be many things.
    I’ve had some cheaper Gore Tex EMS jackets and they worked, same as a used North Face $700 Gore Tex mountain parka works.

    And many pairs of Asolo Gore Tex boots that work.
    As well as Asolo non Gore Tex boots that get wet inside when stomping in slush and water.
     
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    its just a teflon variant, right? I think there are people who make fantastic stuff with it and probably some that make crapola with it. Lots of great mountaineering brands out there, I'd go to REI or one of those type places and try on a bunch of stuff and pick what you like... remembering there is a butt for every seat.
     
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