Is Demand outpacing supply for the Tone Master

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  1. burntfrijoles

    burntfrijoles Poster Extraordinaire

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    To my knowledge neither of the local Guitar Centers or the Sam Ash store has had the Deluxe in stock.
    I am strongly considering replacing my beloved SE 12” Speaker PRRI with the TM Dlx Reverb but I obviously want to demo one first.
    The SE PRRI is a great amp for my needs. It’s a great pedal platform and it’s cleans are stellar. But....the TM has so much appeal.
    1. No tube maintenance/replacement.
    2. Power scaling
    3. Direct out with speaker IRs for recording.

    I was expecting that Fender would have ramped up production enough for the bigger stores to have them in stock.
     
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    My amps are all tube amps....I've been considering Tone Master simply for the reduced weight. Heard the Twin Reverb A/B with a '70 tube model and it was different...but not that different.
     
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    I have yet to see one in a local store. When I inquired about them, I was told they were very hard to get... and that the next few of each that arrive (Twin / Deluxe) are already spoken for.

    I think Fender has a success on their hands when it comes to sales.
    Whether or not the amps are a success has yet to be determined. Will the interest still be there in a year, in 5 years, etc... or will it just be a passing interest.
     
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    I was one of the few Johans that purchased the "updated" V2 of the Cyber Twin, so I'm gonna wait awhile before I think about a Tone Master with any real seriousness.
     
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    I have a large single-location store in town. They also said every TM amp is accounted for before it arrives and that doesn't get one in the hands of everyone who wants one.

    Highly unusually, in the few months they've been selling them, no returns, exchanges or sales back to the store yet.
     
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    Wow! Sweetwater doesn’t have them. American Musical says 12/16 availability. GC says 12/23.
    Runaway hit!
     
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    We are heading into the studio today for the first of hopefully 2 long sessions to record our next album.

    I’m bringing my TMDR. The engineer says he wants to mic it and take the line out, giving him lots of control and flexibility.

    I just like how it sounds ...
     
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    archetype Fiend of Leo's

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    Manufacturing of this type doesn’t ramp up production, quickly. There are a lot of moving parts in that process. Also, I’d speculate that Fender had an initial production run that was small, so if sell-through was poor they wouldn’t have inventory sitting around.
     
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    I am confident that it will sound fine.
    Let us know how it performed in the studio.
     
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    beyer160 Friend of Leo's

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    Also, short supply = demand... right before the holidays.
     
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    Deluxe reverb has sold out at both thomann and musicstore (both are one of only 8 fender vip shops around the world).
    Yes, the demand has probably surprised them considering they cost a bit....or they where just careful.
     
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    Is any amp so great compared to all other amps that buyers are upset to have to play their other amps due to back order?

    Or is it possible that Fender knows buyers don't like to wait what with being dependent on the fulfillment feeling from unboxing new product, so they're making us wait to boost desire?

    IDK but it still annoys me when an amp has a "power scaling" option but has no power amp with pleasing distortion being "scaled back" for lower volume dirt.
    Power scaling is just a more popular SS terminology now than MV, it's the new thing in SS amps yet it's a marketing lie.
    More and more, product marketing is bigger than product content.
    I'm sure it's a great sounding light weight amp, but a lotta SS amps are.

    Wanting the newest big thing seems too often followed by that romance ending when the next better newest thing hits the market.

    I'd say relax, run what you brung, wait for the holy grail, make sure it's really the be all end all...
     
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    Opinion ALERT: NEVER buy the first generation of anything like this.
     
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    Back in the day it was believed that the worst thing you could do to spoil a product launch was not have enough product available at launch. To some degree that can still be true. Look at what happened with Popeye's chicken sandwich. ;)
    Today I think it's more about supply chain economics. Plus, products can gain a mythical quality when they are hard to find. (Think of lines outside an Apple Store at product launch or the aforementioned Popeye's sandwich).
    Still, you can't sell what you don't have in stores.
     
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    Id really like to see the inside of one
     
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    But does that still hold true for modeling? Can you not model overdriving the power stage?
     
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    If you use scarcity to create high demand right before the biggest retail season of the year you can, though. Banjo Mart will happily take your credit card information today for a Tonemaster next month. RESERVE YOURS NOW!!! DON'T MISS OUT!!!!

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    More here:
    https://www.thegearpage.net/board/i...er-deluxe-and-tonemaster-twin.2063724/page-93

    Who overdrives a Twin?
     
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    Well yeah that's a fair point, but why not use a term that's honest like output level or god forbid master volume?

    Power scaling is the newest tube amp tech that does the MV thing differently by changing the power section.
    Similar to an attenuator in allowing the power tubes to distort while output volume is lower.

    In a modeler that modeled distortion is not made in the power section, it is not scaling back the power amp, and in reality it ought to be doing a more sophisticated job in the digital preamp software section.

    Claiming that the amp is scaling back the power section like a tube amp is kind of offensive to customers who know the difference.
    I'm not even convinced tube amp power scaling is the be all end all of great actual tube amp sound, so what it seems like to me is fakery to sell product.
    Not that I'm surprised in the 21st C to see dishonest representation of product in an attempt to make it sell better.

    I'd be more impressed if Fender said they put the computer on a modular board so that we could replace the digital modeling section as the generations were improved. Keep your pine cab, power section and speaker, and just buy a new computer module every few years.
    That would be cool and impressive. And professional. And not planned obsolescence.

    But suggesting that that power section can be turned down for lower volume dirt is IMO just dumb.

    I hafta wonder how many times guitar players are gonna hear "this time for sure!/ watch me pull a rabbit outta my hat!" from manufacturers, and believe the holy grail has arrived.

    I'm guessing that the only unique feature for the $900 is the cosmetics and the interface.
     
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    Mesa is doing something different with the California Tweed. It has 4 6V6 Tubes. In full-powered 40-watt mode, the tubes run in class A/B pentode mode. For 30 watts, one pair of tubes runs in A/B triode mode and the other runs in A/B pentode mode. In 20-watt mode, only a pair of tubes is used in pentode mode. The same two tubes run as triodes in 10-watt mode. And at two watts, the pair runs in class-A parallel mode: one tube wired pentode and the other triode.
    I confess that I don't completely understand that but I get the point.

    Regardless the TM Deluxe Reverb is appealing to me just so I don't have to worry about tubes.
     
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    Don't care about the Twin. Plenty of folks overdrive a Deluxe and that's my interest.
     
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