Is “spongy” a term to describe a speaker?

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  1. burntfrijoles

    burntfrijoles Poster Extraordinaire

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    I have a special edition Princeton Reverb with a 12” speaker. It came with a Jensen P12Q. About a year ago I swapped it out for Greenback Celestion. It was different but not necessarily better.
    I decided to swap back the Jensen today. I was struck by how “spongy” it sounded. That’s the best description I can give. I recall that I had the same impression when I first got the amp. Maybe it’s a more compressed sound. The Celestion has a tighter sound but not necessarily as smooth.
    I’m actually a little torn between the two. There’s more of a difference than I thought
     
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    So it's spongy but in a good way? :)

    Seriously, you've now entered the twilight zone of speaker swapping. And comparing two things gives you no 'scale' of excellence. So, half-seriously, it may actually help to try a third speaker. Mary Ann? Ginger? Mary Ann? Dude, it's time to watch an episode of I Dream of Jeannie. If you search here, you'll find dozens of threads that discuss speakers different folks consider 'perfect' for the PR...
     
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    I’ve always thought of the P12Q as “smooshy” - at low volumes it has a nice pleasant compression, but it falls apart and loses firmness quickly when the volume goes up.
     
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    Sure thing.

    Is "Sponge Worthy" a term to describe a speaker you really want?
     
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    so many amusing adjectives for speakers; occasionally reminds me of wine lovers...

    "barky" never heard "meowy"
    "tight"
    "soft"
    "crisp"
    "rich"
    "flabby" don't recall "muscular"
    "warm" but i've never heard "cold"

    but i like king fans Twilight zone reference
     
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    With a hint of oak and a strong tanin bite to the finish?
     
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    schmee Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    At normal/low volume I think of the P12Q as bright and sparkly, minimal bottom end. However, the claim to fame for alnico's like that is they go into "float compression" when driven very hard, like on leads etc. Is that what you mean? or is it "spongy" at low volume? Hard to imagine that.
     
  8. burntfrijoles

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    Spongy at higher volumes. I was just testing it after the change without pedals so I opened it up a little. It’s not bad, it’s just very different from the Celestion. The P12Q makes it much more Fenderish.
    In many ways it doesn’t matter as it’s basically my pedal platform.
    I’ll leave it as it is for now.
    My Tone King Gremlin has become my primary amp anyway.
     
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    Buy/Build a 2 x 12 cabinet and use both! Many people prefer mismatched speakers in a cabinet.
     
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    My favorite wine-tasting term is "road tar" -- and they don't mean it as a negative...
     
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    A speaker with better lows can expose the poor speaker damping of a small tube amp, and bad speaker damping I might call spongy.
     
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    I read a wine review that described it as having "flavors of damp earth."

    You dirt-eating idiot! A mud 'pie' is a figurative term. Now go get some water!
     
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    Yeah, I liked a Greenback in my DR for a while, a little flubby when loud but in a PR I would think it's great.
    But there's nothing like a Weber 12F150 50 watt, or a Emi GA SC64 in a PR!
     
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    "Spongy" doesn't even do a very good job of describing a sponge.
     
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    It is interesting that you ask that. At Fitzgerald's Nightclub near where I live they have a house amp made by a company called Vero in Addison, IL, a Chicago suburb. The amp has a five selector knob that modifies the tonal center of the amp in addition to the Bass/Mid/Treble controls and a couple of settings have been described by multiple players including me to have a "spongy" quality. The amp is in a very unique art-deco cabinet and is a very good sounding amp.
     
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