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Instrument Player Vs. Instrumentalist

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by unixfish, Jan 20, 2021.

  1. Steerforth

    Steerforth Friend of Leo's

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    If Michael Flatley is, “Lord of the Dance”, then somebody ought to be designated, “Lord of the Guitar”.

    Any nominations? Discuss. :lol:
     
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  2. Chiogtr4x

    Chiogtr4x Poster Extraordinaire

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    I think my entire life ( remainder of...) and identity is one of someone (always working on) trying to become a musician.

    And I know in my heart, despite no huge accomplishments. or say measurable success, I am one, because of the love I have for music, and all the ( fun) work and time I have put into this. In other words at this point, " What else AM I?"

    ( I hit a wall after 30 years of a real job in 2007, and thought I could play FT- not a good idea to do this as I've never played enough or enough $$ to be FT, yet, here we are!)

    But I'd be the first to say my path is more informal, than any real school ed musician.

    Because I'm R&R/blues/ bluegrass guitar player and singer, who learned how to do all this with chord charts, a good ear, and a love for so many kinds of music, I just picked up a bunch of 'stuff' over 46 years- and now I perform it and get paid to do it.

    But I did not major in music, I don't really read music, not a pro-orchestral player and with exception of some cool instrumentals, I'm not a songwriter.

    But I think I've become a very solid, diverse musician within the styles I play.

    * sorry, I'll always be insecure about this path, so a lot of reflection, and the babbling that comes with it
     
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    Fiesta Red Poster Extraordinaire

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    Po-tay-toe, Po-tah-toe

    To-may-toe, To-mah-toe...
     
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  4. unixfish

    unixfish Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    Are you a union buster? :lol::lol::lol:
     
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    Ah, looks like my cruddy penmanship struck again. Sorry. That’s “onion baster”.
     
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  6. unixfish

    unixfish Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    Nice. Now who is going to clean the peanut bits off my monitor that I spit up from laughing so hard?
     
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  7. getbent

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    since feeling is first
    who pays any attention
    to the syntax of things
    will never wholly kiss you;

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    less categorization, more stew
     
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  8. unixfish

    unixfish Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    Don't you think e. e. cummings is lost on this crowd? It sure is on me.

    If you cannot measure it, and you cannot categorize it, and you cannot analyze it, and you cannot quantify it, does it exist?

    And yes, I do feel that way about poetry too. :D
     
  9. Manual Slim

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    Leave them there long enough and they’ll just dry up and flake off.
     
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  10. unixfish

    unixfish Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    Oh. Like a scab. Gotcha! :lol::lol::lol:
     
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  11. getbent

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    ee cummings is never lost.

    You may have read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance? if so, categorization becomes talking about food, the minute you talk about it, you miss it. (classic God Quality)...

    so, it isn't qualitatively bad to have what amount to analogies for things, except when the analogy becomes metaphor....

    lets take the grand canyon. maybe you have seen it. i have.

    Walking up to the edge, that first time..... no need to read a plaque with all that 'stuff' you list above... it exists without any of it. and its splendor is as great or far greater than what we can grasp...
     
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  12. boneyguy

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    For me a primary distinction is this: a guitar player vs a musician who plays guitar. In my terminology those are very different things.
     
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  13. Manual Slim

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    To clarify: if a professional musician whose primary instrument is trombone takes a gig playing guitar what would she be called when playing it? In the context of this thread, I mean. I can imagine some of the things she’d be called outside of that.
     
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    As we used to say about drummers, there are drummers and there are musicians who play drums. The only qualification I have as a drummer, is I own a drum kit.
     
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    Never read ee cummings. Or the Zen... book. Poetry is lost on me. If you want me to know it, then say it. I don't have time to beat around the bush and figure out what you mean. I googled the Zen book - my daughter would be into that. Me? I read a few reviews on-line. Not my thing.

    I have seen the Grand Canyon. "That is one massive, impassible gorge!". Quantified. We did a trip out West years ago. The canyon was not a highlight. You do have to awe thinking about settlers in a wagon train coming to the edge and thinking "How the [expletive] do we get around this?"

    $0.02. But I do see your point.
     
  16. unixfish

    unixfish Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    A guitar player who is a musician. There. Thread closed! :lol::lol::lol:
     
  17. tfarny

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    I think a musician is anybody who plays music. An amateur is somebody who doesn't get paid, or doesn't get paid nearly enough to live on. A pro is somebody who does live on his/her musical income. Number of instruments is irrelevant, as is writing your own or composing. Level of proficiency is too hard to gauge, as there are many people no here who think Neil Young can barely play guitar.
     
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    I was about to disagree with the entire premise of any kind of semantics discussion, since I hate semantics discussions, until I came across boneyguy's post. Which I agree with. Probably because I play several instruments in addition to guitar, and in fact started on piano.
     
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    I was once told that I played guitar like it was a percussion instrument. I chose to take that as a compliment.

    Or maybe they meant I play guitar like a drummer...probably not a compliment? o_O
     
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  20. getbent

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    Michael Flatley is to the Lord of the Dance
    what
    Joe Bonnamassa is to lord of the guitar
     
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