Inside track on Fender starting to use rosewood again for Mexican built Teles

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  1. rze99

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    Anyone know if they are going back to rosewood over Pau Ferro for rosewood boards on MIM built Teles?
     
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    When they run out of the supply of Pau Ferro they bought up??
     
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    What I was thinking too.

    I’m interested because I’m planning to sell some some Fender MIM Tele necks with vintage spec real rosewood. There are very very few on the used market in the uk so now might be a good time to sell before Fender start making them available again.
     
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    All the while, maple is in good supply, which is all this one cares about.
     
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    That is what Leo would have done.
     
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    I thought that using rosewood was outlawed by some endangered species law....
     
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    ...dump them while they're hot. It's a sellers market right now. I have one on my 2014 Nashville Tele, and it is a very good neck in all respects for me.. profile, fretwork, etc.
     
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    I've heard that some sort of Olive tree wood is gaining popularity for fretboards....and it's permenantly oiled.
     
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    The Conference of the Parties to the CITES treaty had placed all rosewood species on Appendix II to the treaty. That subjected those species to import/customs restrictions in all signatory countries. Last year, they passed an exception for finished musical instruments, parts, and accessories - primarily to keep musicians from having their instruments seized by customs while they were traveling/touring internationally. The stricter rules (involving rigorous documentation of the legal harvesting and sale) on importing raw rosewood still remain. But it is not and has never been outlawed. Only Brazilian rosewood has, among guitar woods, reached Appendix I, which means a full on "no import without solid proof that the wood left Brazil prior to the treaty terms" level in CITES.

    The continuing documentation requirement associated with importing raw rosewood leads me to believe that the move to pau ferro and Indian laurel for lower priced instruments is unlikely to be reversed.
     
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    Rosewood doesn't grow on trees, you know.
     
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    Thank you you sound like you know what you're talking about
     
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    I am just a guy on the Internet, but I did work in relevant fields for a while. Direct information from CITES can be found here, but it can be a little tricky to navigate. Whether Indian rosewood is coming back to lower end guitars is just a matter of opinion, as I have no direct access to anyone involved in production at Fender.
     
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    Pau Ferro works just fine quite frankly. I like a nice dark, even colored RW board myself. I'd like to build a house with old-growth redwood too, and that ain't happening neither.
     
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    Update: On Wednesday 08/28/19, the CITES convention in Geneva, Switzerland decided to exempt finished musical instruments, parts, and accessories from CITES restrictions on all rosewood species except Brazilian rosewood (whose protections predate the other rosewood species and remain in place).
     
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    Yes, that's the specific date it was decided. It didn't go into effect until November.
     
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    If Fender starts using Rosewood on their MIM guitars again, then save your Pau Ferro ones. They’ll be collectors’ items. :D
     
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    Too much environmental baggage with all the rain forest woods. Two million new guitars are built every year, using the most choice pieces from the oldest trees to avoid knots.

    Mixing woods on the neck makes for unequal expansion rates and more tuning stability problems.

    All maple is the best way to go. The factories might try stained roasted maple for darker fretboards.

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    I love rosewood fretboards. Pau Fero is too light for my tastes. If anything, I would choose ebony over pau fero.
     
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    Roasted maple itself, should be dark enough to please a lot of people.

    The question is, will guitar makers be able to sell the buyers on the loss of both tropical wood and also ash, at the same time?

    I was walking with my pup, by the Wolf River here in west Tennessee, and spotted 2 mature ash trees in obvious distress - dying back big time.
     
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    Those darn beetles. It really is a shame that ash is off the guitar menu for quite a while.

    Maybe, instead of adding an additional barrier, the reality of ash going away will force people to be a little more open to different timbers.

    I've got one Thorn with a one piece ash body, and two Thinline Teles made of ash (a MIM Cabronita and a VM 72). I guess I will count myself lucky.
     
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