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Inside Fender's Excelsior

Discussion in 'Amp Central Station' started by Billm, Apr 18, 2012.

  1. Commodore 64

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    There's a lot to like about that amp. Chassis mounted sockets, lots of room on the PCB. Any impressions on the OT and PT?
     
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    Okay...so $299.99 on the street. Is this amp made in ASia??? Just curious..
     
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    Comes to us from China. Probably assembled by 12 year olds, making $00.10 an hour. It would be interesting to see what a comparable amp built in the USA would cost.
     
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    Factoid: The average wage in China is $1.36 / hr.

    Considering the hours I put in I make less than that. :rolleyes:
     
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    Well, it has construction similar to the PRo SEries and the Reissues....boards and sockets separate. The construction method is superior to the HRD and Blue Series of Fenders in that respect. So, somewhere bewteen the HRD/Bues and the PRO/REissue prices???
    $650--$725???
     
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    I would have to agree here the amp would be at least twice the current cost... I really think this is going to be a winner for Fender.
     
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    Not too bad.
     
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    The OT is a weak point. Cheap steel, saturates easily. A quick swap with a TO20 yields an audible improvement. It's not surprising, given the price of the amp.

    The power transformer stays reasonably cool and doesn't appear undersize. I haven't yet conducted power/sag tests to see how it holds up under heavy load.

    If you're referring specifically to the Blues Junior, the issue is the values in the amp, not the speaker. My modded Blues Juniors go deeper than the stock Excelsior. And a 15-inch speaker creates issues in an amp with no negative feedback -- a degree of "flappy" behavior that the amp can't always control.
     
  9. Lee Harvey

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    Dumb question..

    Why mod a 300 dollar amp?

    Maybe illogical, but you'll never get any money back from the mods. If you took the 300 plus the money to mod it, you could get a pretty decent amp..

    Not sure anymore but at one time Valvetrain made a affordable all American made low Watt amp, with speaker opitions and tremolo.
     
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    Not if you do your own work and enjoy the work enough to discount it. So far the only mod discussed in this thread of any cost is the OT, and that is $55+shipping.

    Besides, if you don't enjoy working on amps, you should not do it. If you do enjoy it, then it is entertainment.
     
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    The single best answer I can give you, for me at least, is because it's fun.
     
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    And the corollary to that might be modding a $3000 amp is out of most peoples price range
     
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    Exactly, and when you do it on a $300 amp you consider them "Upgrades". :D

    This is an amp that just begs to be tweaked. I can't wait to see what Bill and others come up with. I'm sure in no time there will be Excelsior upgrade kits all over the internet with an OT, speaker & all the components required to change the gain & voicing per input and the tone shift switch.
     
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    Would you describe the headroom close to that of a DRRI?
     
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    Because I can. (and people like Billm, celeste, and muchxs are nice enough to share their knowledge with hobbyists like me).
     
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    Hey Bill just wanted to say Thanks for tearing this amp apart to look at improving it. I for one really appreciate your expertise. Got a question though. I'm thinking of putting in a matched pair of EH6V6 in to see if that might help to lessen the over the top bright setting. I changed out V1 last night with a Tung Sol 12ax7 which seems to have enriched what was already there. I know that EH tubes can sometimes darken up the sound of an amp a little (maybe not as much as JJ's)so I'm going to give it a try. Your thought's
     
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    Not only that, but why would you mod a 3000$ amp - at that price get someone to build exactly what you want. Modding a 300$ amp makes way more sense to be than anything else.
     
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    Finally, a new amp with an accordion input.
     
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    It is all the accordion players that are making it hard to get. They have been waiting for years for this day
     
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