I'm just gonna go ahead and share my work. My first big mod project. Fender PA 100. Be gentle.

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I recently came to the conclusion that I'm just way too cheap to buy or build my dream amp (2203/2204). So I'm modding a Fender PA 100. I picked it up a few months ago for $125. I had $100 leftover from a recent sale. So, really only $25 out of pocket. Brought it home and it was DOA. No biggie, as I was happy to have something to work and learn on. And just bringing an old amp back to life is rewarding enough in that regard. I'm still very new to tube amp build world. So from the getgo this amp has been a fun adventure.

The first big finds were that the 6L6 bias circuit was open, and at least one of the radioshack 6L6s was toast. No other signs of blown/arced tubes, though. I had a quad of new 6L6s I got with a JCM900 head trade (more on that later), so that came in handy. Replaced rec diode and cap and bias was within reason with the new tubes. But the amp still worked intermittently and blew fuses. After staring and poking at the thing for a few days, I came across a broken chassis ground wire that was very hidden. Bingo. New filter and pre bias caps, and Bob's was my uncle. I love Bob. Really, it seemed like the Radioshack 6L6s were the only thing that were weren't from the factory on the amp. And they were old.

Reverb working ok. Not TR. But ok. With pedals the amp is very workable for guitar. Even better for bass. Even betterer with some external EQ and/or mid-hump pedals. A DOD250? Nice. Rat? Hell yeah. Bridge some channels and it gets a little louder and fuller. It's not a cascade, though. But it's nice.

For those of you unfamiliar with the PA100, it's more or less a standard 100 watt Silverface tube power amp. It has four input channels with Z and tone stacks (~James) suitable for mics. All are shared cathode, each with one triode between two 7025s. Their summed in with a 2nd triode stage. The reverb circuit differs from the AB763 in ways I don't entirely comprehend. Seems like there's an extra triode buffer(?). Anyway, suffice to say that if one were to mod a PA 100, they would find plenty of space (they are huge) and pre-amp tubes to do so. Check out what Fuchs does with them, for example.

This is the closest schem to mine. Some of the tone stack values were... different. Everything seemed original, though.


I could have left it at that and been happy enough for my daily noodling. I then turned my attention to 2204 build ideas, and put my also fairly recently acquired JCM 900 4500 up for sale/trade, in hopes of procuring some dough toward that 2204 build. No bites. There are DRs polluting Facebook Marketplace everywhere, just sitting. There's a 50watt combo near me for $550 that's been sitting for a month now. Nothing 900 is moving. I took it off market and started getting together plans for modding the 900 to an 800. Short story is that it's just not worth it, as I'm sure y'all familiar with the dual reverbs can attest to. It is a good amp for a working pro. Just not good for my tinker and noodle avocation.

I needed to work on something. So back to the PA100. I figured I could cut my teeth on some simple things first, and see how it goes. The first mod was to change the grid leaks and stoppers for standard values. Not my best lead dress work. But it did work. Better response for sure. Changed the bias resistor and cap to a more typical fender value (split four ways). That helped, too. By this point, including the amp, I'd probably spent around $150-160ish. Not bad for a working vintage 100watt Fender beast.

After some digging, I concluded the tone stacks were James style, and set about to figure if I could mess with the mids.

And it's all gone downhill from there... I need to stop writing here, but will post some pics and 2203 molestation status later today for anyone along with me for this ride. I took a break from TDPRI posting for a while. Happy to be with y'all again!
 

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I always thought the PA100 would be a great bass amp. PA amps are often voiced toward the Bass amp spectrum anyway.
Years ago I had a PA100 I bought cheap for guitar in working condition. $300 in excellent shape. Warm voicing to it and too much power for me. I'd love to have two of them for PA use even today but way to heavy to cart 2 around!
 

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Neat! and thanks for posting your saga - I'm following this thread.
I have a '73 PA100 that I bought from my highschool music teacher, sometime back in the late 80s, and have carried it with me ever since. Been wondering about using it as a platform for learning.
Awhile back I bought an original schematic/printout - it's buried in my office somewhere.
 

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I always thought the PA100 would be a great bass amp. PA amps are often voiced toward the Bass amp spectrum anyway.
Years ago I had a PA100 I bought cheap for guitar in working condition. $300 in excellent shape. Warm voicing to it and too much power for me. I'd love to have two of them for PA use even today but way to heavy to cart 2 around!
Heavy. Most definitely heavy. I thought about using it for bass, since that’s what I typically play outside the mannish cave. One gig with my small class d bass rig cured that whim.
 

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Ok here are some pics, with the full expectation that y’all recognize my lead dress as just…. preliminary LOL. Clearly this is a plan as you go project.

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Here’s the beast after I picked it up, smelling up my backseat.
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It’s current state. Note the steadily diminishing number of knobs.
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Original caps. It almost felt wrong to change them.
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Pre-molestation.
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My…. experimenting? Prototyping? Yeah. That’s the ticket. 😂
 
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Soooo… on that last pic. The short story is that after messing a bit with the dc caps to cut some low end, I figured it was high time I tried splitting the cathodes and cascading the first two channels. While I was there I tried some Marshall-esque bias values, with cold (15k) on V1b. Why 15k? Cuz that’s what I had. Same with the choice of caps.

It works. More coming on my thoughts as to overall tone and eq. But that’s enough for now. Stay tuned.

Coming up next? Yep. Going for cathode follower. I decided to axe the James stack anyway. And I still have two triodes to play with.
 

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So far I’ve been able to make small changes while still keeping it playable while I ponder my next moves. The next parts will be more of a challenge to do this. Tonight’s goal will be to try (1) remove channel one volume pot, and (2) remove channel 2 input jacks. All while keeping the two channels bridged and playable before moving on.

The challenges will include figuring where to put channel 2 volume in the modded circuit, while at the same time finding a spot in the tone stack to cut out, yet still work without having to start on the cathode follower just yet. Maybe not possible? I’m a noob, so this is all exploratory for me. I’ll update how it goes.

Edit: oh yeah. Not going with a lo input, because reasons lol.
 

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I purchased one of those new in the 70's
Had 2 speaker cabs....I think it had 4- 6 or 8 inch speakers each.

Worked great for what it was.
If you had a PA in the 70's you were the man.
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Success with part 1, I think? I should probably mention I bought some more parts this week since I’m all in. I put a 470k resistor parallel with the 500p coming from V1a, left it all mounted to the back of the pot to hold it in place (for now), and just not grounded to the pot. With the 470k attenuator resistor it’s definitely attenuated now. It’s still loaded down on the plate driven TB stack before channel 2 volume, though. I believe both channels are happening. Hard to tell now though.
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Definitely need to soldier on. A 100 watt amp should NOT be comfortable to play at 4. It should hurt. Bad.
 

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Oops. Scratch that for now. V1b cathode disconnected. I thought I felt a little snap. Did I mention I have huge hands? There’s reasons why I don’t play, or make anything with my hands professionally.

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This will continue to be a risk until I secure the cathode splits on a separate turret. I did buy a little one, but haven’t figured a good way to mount it yet. All in good time.
 

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Better with cathode connected, of course. Still low volume. I was able to isolate channel two input, and it is very, very low. Which is to be expected at 15k bias. Right now both channels have to have a jack. They are all j grounded. Next on the list will be to take out channel two inputs and make volume 2 between triode stages, which basically means bypassing the tone stack, until I get that worked after 2nd diode stage, with hopefully minimal movement of wires and existing components.
 

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I recently came to the conclusion that I'm just way too cheap to buy or build my dream amp (2203/2204). So I'm modding a Fender PA 100. I picked it up a few months ago for $125. I had $100 leftover from a recent sale. So, really only $25 out of pocket. Brought it home and it was DOA. No biggie, as I was happy to have something to work and learn on. And just bringing an old amp back to life is rewarding enough in that regard. I'm still very new to tube amp build world. So from the getgo this amp has been a fun adventure.

The first big finds were that the 6L6 bias circuit was open, and at least one of the radioshack 6L6s was toast. No other signs of blown/arced tubes, though. I had a quad of new 6L6s I got with a JCM900 head trade (more on that later), so that came in handy. Replaced rec diode and cap and bias was within reason with the new tubes. But the amp still worked intermittently and blew fuses. After staring and poking at the thing for a few days, I came across a broken chassis ground wire that was very hidden. Bingo. New filter and pre bias caps, and Bob's was my uncle. I love Bob. Really, it seemed like the Radioshack 6L6s were the only thing that were weren't from the factory on the amp. And they were old.

Reverb working ok. Not TR. But ok. With pedals the amp is very workable for guitar. Even better for bass. Even betterer with some external EQ and/or mid-hump pedals. A DOD250? Nice. Rat? Hell yeah. Bridge some channels and it gets a little louder and fuller. It's not a cascade, though. But it's nice.

For those of you unfamiliar with the PA100, it's more or less a standard 100 watt Silverface tube power amp. It has four input channels with Z and tone stacks (~James) suitable for mics. All are shared cathode, each with one triode between two 7025s. Their summed in with a 2nd triode stage. The reverb circuit differs from the AB763 in ways I don't entirely comprehend. Seems like there's an extra triode buffer(?). Anyway, suffice to say that if one were to mod a PA 100, they would find plenty of space (they are huge) and pre-amp tubes to do so. Check out what Fuchs does with them, for example.

This is the closest schem to mine. Some of the tone stack values were... different. Everything seemed original, though.


I could have left it at that and been happy enough for my daily noodling. I then turned my attention to 2204 build ideas, and put my also fairly recently acquired JCM 900 4500 up for sale/trade, in hopes of procuring some dough toward that 2204 build. No bites. There are DRs polluting Facebook Marketplace everywhere, just sitting. There's a 50watt combo near me for $550 that's been sitting for a month now. Nothing 900 is moving. I took it off market and started getting together plans for modding the 900 to an 800. Short story is that it's just not worth it, as I'm sure y'all familiar with the dual reverbs can attest to. It is a good amp for a working pro. Just not good for my tinker and noodle avocation.

I needed to work on something. So back to the PA100. I figured I could cut my teeth on some simple things first, and see how it goes. The first mod was to change the grid leaks and stoppers for standard values. Not my best lead dress work. But it did work. Better response for sure. Changed the bias resistor and cap to a more typical fender value (split four ways). That helped, too. By this point, including the amp, I'd probably spent around $150-160ish. Not bad for a working vintage 100watt Fender beast.

After some digging, I concluded the tone stacks were James style, and set about to figure if I could mess with the mids.

And it's all gone downhill from there... I need to stop writing here, but will post some pics and 2203 molestation status later today for anyone along with me for this ride. I took a break from TDPRI posting for a while. Happy to be with y'all again!

Congrats on the PA100 at that great price! I had one lined up last month on Facebook marketplace for $300. I made arrangements to drive out with cash to see it the next day, however when I called the following morning before I left, the seller had gone back on their word and sold it to someone else. Ive done some research on those and they are great modding platforms. Here is one that someone posted online:

 

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Yeah,I came across that video a couple of times in my googling. I think it’s from a TGP regular. He’s probably here, too. Seriously nice work. I love the front panel. Making purty metal things is not my forte. So mine will be likely look like my work when it’s all done. Which is to say, improvised, for lack of a better term.

On that note, I failed to mention what I plan to call my love creation. This is a marshallized fender. Not really a Marshall clone, since it’s Fender innards, just being changed around a bit. But it’s no longer a Fender, either.

Well, it turns out I live in the part of WV that is Marshall University country. We Are Marshall? However, I went to grad school at UT Austin. Well, we all know what connects the two schools. That’s right. This guy.

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So, I’m calling it the Marshall McConaughey 100. The MM100 for short. It will sport a few alright stickers strategically placed over the holes, and a big emblem on the grill, like…

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Or…

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I always thought the PA100 would be a great bass amp. PA amps are often voiced toward the Bass amp spectrum anyway.
Years ago I had a PA100 I bought cheap for guitar in working condition. $300 in excellent shape. Warm voicing to it and too much power for me. I'd love to have two of them for PA use even today but way to heavy to cart 2 around!

There's another TDPRI thread going on, right now, and one of the posts is by someone using a PA135 as a bass amp.
 

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Right. Fuchs definitely got modding these things down to a science. I do feel fortunate I picked it up so cheap. If I paid more I would probably not be as quick to mess with it. I thought I read a TGP thread where he said he’s willing to pay around $300 or so when he finds them. He’s a known brand who can charge for his work, though. Me not so much. 🤣
 

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It's a great platform to mod on! Lots of real estate on the inside for lots of ideas... I have one in the shed that I inherited as part of a deal. It's a back-cracker for sure! That's an awful lot of power for guitar unless you play out (and have roadies), but would be great for a bass player for sure.
 
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