I'm Having An Issue With YouTube.

[effzee]

YouTube is more than aware of this and it's putting up a lot of guardrails to keep the AI crap out of the algorithms. It's becoming very difficult to get paid for AI-generated content, and it's only going to get harder.

 

[scottser]

Not disagreeing with either of you, but when did "this is a business" become a license to justify any behavior necessary to make a buck?

I'm not going to watch AI videos, and if I can't tell them apart, I'm not going to watch YouTube. If enough people don't watch YouTube, then creators won't post to YouTube, and it falls apart.

What happened to "sell a good product, make a good profit?"

Yeah yeah, I know, 'twas ever thus, but they're so blatant about not caring about their customers.

Neoliberalism happened, resulting in the erosion of standards, ridiculously unsustainable income inequality and the redefinition of truth. But those cat videos are just too cute..

 

[Martinp]

and, uh, what's with all the weird Arctic Barnacle videos. I don't get it, maybe I'm old.
over here...

 

[sadfield]

NOW I have to spend time confirming if some Argentinian fusion gem is real and not a hoax post!

Surely, if you like that Argentinian fusion gem enough to warrant verification a) it fails your cardboard test b) doesn't matter as you've found some music you like. What happens if the Argentinian fusion turns out to be made by a kid with a sampler and a synth in Finland? Is it more authentic than AI? Isn't AI fusion?

 

[lupowitz]

For Firefox, there is an Add-on called BlockTube that let's you costumize pretty well, what you wanna see.
It isn't perfect, but it is something.
You can block channels by name or channel ID, Youtube shorts, auto-generated playlists and whatnot.

 

[msalama]

Isn't AI fusion

Yup, it's fusion generated by a huge, mindless and talentless blender.

 

[sadfield]

Yup, it's fusion generated by a huge, mindless and talentless blender.

Sure, but is the art in the creation or the outcome. If you've already found a beauty or had an emotional response or had thought provoked by the concept, before learning about the method of creation, does it cease to be art?

 

[bumnote]

Neoliberalism happened, resulting in the erosion of standards, ridiculously unsustainable income inequality and the redefinition of truth.

Wrong.
Neoliberalism and neoconservatism have nothing to do it.
It 'sells' because people want it, they seek it out, they pay money for it. Media content and any of it's political leanings are this country are consumer driven...period. It's not hidden agendas, it's the free market.
The word choices in your post also reveal a lot of popular buzz words used nonstop by the same media sources that rail against neoliberalism/neoconservatism 'agendas'.

 

[Alamo]

But those cat videos are just too cute..

Yes, they are and need to stay. they're the cat nip for people.

 

[msalama]

does it cease to be art

No, not per se, but the overall quality of AI-generated art still leaves a lot to be desired. We've no idea what the future will bring, of course, but let's just say that I'm not personally convinced at all yet.

 

[scottser]

Wrong.
Neoliberalism and neoconservatism have nothing to do it.
It 'sells' because people want it, they seek it out, they pay money for it. Media content and any of it's political leanings are this country are consumer driven...period. It's not hidden agendas, it's the free market.
The word choices in your post also reveal a lot of popular buzz words used nonstop by the same media sources that rail against neoliberalism/neoconservatism 'agendas'.

It would be naive to assume that the free market is agenda-free, and there I'll leave it as I don't really fancy another ban.
YT, like TikTok etc just give you more of what you last clicked on. Want Karens screaming, cops getting schooled by lawyers, epic fails, guy eats 15lb burger? Have at it, but don't assume that those channels don't have an agenda or that their influence is completely benign.

 

[sadfield]

No, not per se, but the overall quality of AI-generated art still leaves a lot to be desired. We've no idea what the future will bring, of course, but let's just say that I'm not personally convinced at all yet.

My feeling is, given time, human created music within a genre will reach a generic pastiche, pop touches towards that, perhaps some hip hop, modern metal. AI gets there quicker. For the example of Argentinian Fusion, and other niche genres, human created art will never get to the volume of created work to become generic, leaving space for AI art that can potentially sound fresh.

As I've said in other threads, I don't see art as the objective for AI, more that there's parallels with child development, art is a currently a safe space for AI to learn. In the same way we encourage children to paint and draw, to learn skills. The end objective isn't necessarily to create artists, but scientists, doctors etc that can observe and solve problems.

 

[RocknRollShakeUp]

How do I stop getting the YouTube ads showing me 70 year old AI Chinese steroid buff dudes telling me that I don’t need to go to the gym, but that I need to buy their Tai Chi course!

Or the fookin’ AI cartoon singing and whispering voices telling me about depression and procrastination
I reach so fast for the volume to turn the audio off I nearly sprain my wrists.

I guess I could buy the premium subscription…but I think I’m more likely to become a Mars astronaut than to give YouTube my money, for some reason.

But yeah YouTube has entered late stage commercialism, the glory days are gone! I long for the ability to hit “skip” a nanosecond into the ad!

Also, they had the gall to hit me with an ad in the middle of a Kaja Goo Goo video! That’s my favorite guilty pleasure song ever! Bastards!

btw, this is a 4 am jet lag rant, please forgive me

p.s. regulations that mandate the disclosure that we are watching AI generated content, I will fully support… and will become crucially important I’m thinking

 

[Gladhander]

YouTube/smart tvs…figure it out. It’s like nobody is working on the smart tv side.

 

[sadfield]

Or the fookin’ AI cartoon singing and whispering voices telling me about depression and procrastination
I reach so fast for the volume to turn the audio off I nearly sprain my wrists.

I keep thinking about doing the same, but whats the point in trying.

 

[bumnote]

It would be naive to assume that the free market is agenda-free....don't really fancy another ban.

No kidding, nor do I. I'd welcome any suggestions as to what is agenda-free in life. Nothing is.
There's nothing wrong with having your position, it's how you or I use labels or buzz words that also apply to what you or I believe in equal measure. It reads like someone jumping to a rash conclusion.
Does a wife swapping reality TV show have an agenda? Absolutely.
Does a wholesome family reality TV w/ 12 kids have an agenda? Absolutely.
Both are potentially harmful, neither one of those show formats can out do the other when it comes to potentially bad outcomes for it's stars or viewers who are influenced by it. The wife swapping show can end in a homicide investigation and the wholesome family show can inspire another Octamom or Kate Gosling.
Mass media's agenda is consumer driven...it's not part of a larger goal.
I worked in the industry and the only agenda we dealt with was money, generate it quickly or you are replaced. The reason 90% of all the employees of ultra right or ultra left media companies work there is money, no other reason. Those folks change jobs and their writing, their show content, the overall tone is going to reflect the profit goals of the new company.
Any counter viewpoints in mass media only exist as a demographic opportunity. The media in America also couldn't organize a trip to the grocery store with a year's head start.

 

[Gimble]

My YouTube history has been disabled for years. After a while, the platform decided to stop displaying recommended videos and a timeline when you enter in to the site for those who have disabled their history. In other words, I open YouTube, and there's just a huge black screen saying I disabled something, whatever. What matters to me is the search bar, because there I search for what I want to watch, what I find relevant and satisfying. Of course, while you're watching a video, recommendations still appear, but if you stick to watching higher-quality videos and avoiding stupid and sensationalist videos like the user Bumnote mentioned, these recommendations are generally more straightforward.
Anyway, this was the way I dealt with this crap that YouTube throws at you.

I did this a long time ago - no history enabled - and I deleted all prior video likes dislikes (there is an option to do it all at once under account settings) and lastly I don’t ever like or dislike any video, or comment. With less data the algorithm can’t do its thing. And as I don’t feel any need to express my opinion randomly to a bunch of strangers - it works for me.

 

[johnny k]

It needs more ads, one every 2 minutes is not enough.

 

[Grodad]

I've used YouTube for many years now. I've found it to be an excellent site for demonstrating how to do stuff. Fixing a mower, power washer or clothes dryer. Getting the opinion of professionals on how good specific products really are for long term use, etc. Even basic house wiring and plumbing issues. In some cases it's been a godsend.
In the last year or so I've noted a growing amount of videos on YouTube that are either fake or AI generated. I now don't like the idea of tearing into a furnace or working under the hood of a modern SUV or whatever based on what YouTube presents to me as the true and proper way to do it. I'd hate to lose this valuable resource that's truly saved me a lot of bread on maintenance, good solid purchases, etc.
I now find videos that look true going in and out. Then I find multiple other videos using the same starting point but going into a completely different direction. I'm no genius but I'm smart enough to know two directions never end in the same place. Simple things like which colored wire goes where or choosing a proper ground are only usable when you can trust the source of the information.
So. Does anyone know if YouTube has a way for a user to know if something is fake or AI generated? I've depended on and used YouTube for years. I'd hate to lose the ability to trust the information I receive answering a search I've placed. Is there a button or moniker to separate the true and trustworthy from everything else? It would be a terrible shame to lose this resource.

Agreed. I have also used youtube for lots of home maintenance and mechanical issues that would have cost me thousands. It helps that I am pretty handy myself. Youtube and the internet in general has gone to the dogs now due to AI slop.
My golden rule is to get maintenance content from old people or qualified or experienced tradespeople who have been around the block and are sharing knowledge. I refuse to watch auto generated recordings or click bait shock titles promising shortcuts to gloryhood.
And the adverts? Ridiculously intrusive. In the old days, youtube was part of the internet's gift to humanity of knowledge sharing. Now it's an AI slop machine cash generator for mega tech corpo and the human channels are being forced to go even more clickbaity. The literature tells us that over 50% of online content we read will be AI generated by the end of this year, and up to 80% next year. Forecasters say it will reach a critical mass when AI cannot find anymore original human generated content to produce new stuff, that will be an interesting world to live in.....

 

[johnny k]

Another annoying thing, not only on youtube. I was looking for the book whargoul by dave brockie (gwar) and i got results for warhol. That is not what i typed.