If there were no Fender...........

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  1. daddyplaysbass

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    Fender Esquire or Broadcaster
     
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    This ... in fact, am considering putting bucker sized P90s in my Epi LP ... after all these decades and several very different guitars, have come to the conclusion that I prefer single coils. Go figure....grew up learning on/playing an old electric with DeArmond gold foils, not knowing for years what was inside them.....LOL. Loved that guitar (bought a great condition replacement of the guitar of my youth last year, read up on the gold foils....those original DeArmond pickups still sound great and take me back to "the days."
     
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    A Rickenbacker. Same neck of the woods.
     
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    This. I envision this question/situation more like the scenario from the "Yesterday" movie. A world with Gibson, Gretsch, Guild, and Rickenbacker...
     
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    Les Paul flat-top, probably a Special with P-90’s.
     
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    The big question is if you mean do teles suddenly totally disappear (I am guessing including variants by companies other than Fender), or if Leo just decided making electric guitars was a waste of his time, hence no any Fender guitar.
    Assuming the former I would probably choose a Rickenbacker or Duo-Jet. My Rickenbacker 350 gets as much playing time as my teles, but they do different things.
    If you want to propose the second scenario, where Leo didn't exist, or decided Spanish guitars were stupid, I would guess the demand would still be there (the West Coast) thanks to Bigsby. Assuming he (Bigsby) decided to remain making instruments in the same way (essentially a one-man band), in this alternate world I guess a salesman / opportunity seekers such as Don Randall or F C Hall would have seen the opening and went with a different company to mass produce basically what Paul Bigsby was doing. My guess is Rickenbacker might well have been that company, though what they made is impossible to predict.
     
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    I would play a concert size accordion .
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    Well... I went that way years ago... P94 and Phat cat... They are not bad pickups by any means but nothing to do with a real P90 nevertheless.

    My advice is get a REAL P90s guitar.
     
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    Can I keep my Cabronitas? When they came out purists said they weren't real Teles so they could be exempt ☺
     
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    I actually found this an interesting question for myself. Ultimately it came down to straight headstock and bolt-on neck. I had forgotten about the Tallman. G&L seems like cheating. Are there others?

    Don't get me wrong, I like the sound of LPs and SGs but I had a sheraton that I was terrified of putting down. For me, the guitar has to lay comfortably flat on the floor and the neck has to come off for travel. What other makes am I forgetting? XD
     
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    No Fender? What about the ripple effects? If there was no Leo Fender to invent the Telecaster and Precision Bass, then Gibson probably would have never made the Les Paul. Would Paul Bigsby have been able to expand production to fill that void? Also, with no Fender, Semie Mosely wouldn't have been able to turn a Strat tracing upside down and build his backwards-ass flounder-looking guitars. Who knows if anyone else would have invented the bass guitar as we know it.
     
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    Remember though, with no Fender, there are also no Fender copies!
     
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    I don't even want to imagine that.
     
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    Either he would have or a company that doesn't currently exist would have come along. Personally... I'm kinda okay with an alternative history that has fewer Telecasters but more Bigsby guitars.
     
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    Those are really the only OTHER guitars I really like enough to choose.

    Specials with most of the neck joint routed away for a neck pickup hold no interest to me!
    I had an early "SG Jr" from when they called it a "LP Jr" I guess '61 or '62 but back then I wasn't obsessed with what year a guitar was made.
    My problem with that modelis all that extra wood behind the bridge.
    WTH is it for?
    A coffee table to use after the gig?
    A place to put stickers in case the audience can't figure out what style of music we're trying to play?
    Maybe a counter balance to reduce neck dive?
    Still had neck dive!

    I prefer the '59 Jr but the '61 was $175 when a '59 ran $1200.

    It's funny, the PRS seems more associated with the Strat, but I saw it upon arrival as an attempt to improve on the '59 Jr.
    Yet again though, too much $$!
     
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    Really good questions and we know that as much as Leo worked hard to draw a shape, cut it out and bolt it together, he worked even harder to get pro players on board with the new plank guitar.
    In a player community that scoffed at his ideas and ridiculed Fender solid body guitars.

    Also big in his three part assault on the guitar as we know it, was how hard he worked to produce large quantities at affordable prices that were totally pro grade tools of the trade.
    Add the fourth part where he pushed amp design to make his new guitars useful and practical.

    Where Les Paul helped Gibson out, Leo managed to get numerous pro players to tell him what they wanted from a guitar, within the ideas that he had for the manufacturing of more affordable and practical guitars.

    The actual Esquire he slammed us with is a small part of the big thing he did to both the musical instrument industry and the pop music industry.

    So a today without the Fender of 1948?
    Who the hell knows!
     
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    Probably a LP Special.
     
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